Author: tearj3rker

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:32 am

No, it is not true.

It sound similar to the myth I heard in the heroin world that "if you’re still doing it after 30 years old, you never stop." This has been proven to be ridiculous. When I was doing NA meetings, there were heaps of people who got clean in their 30’s, just as many as those in their 20’s / teens.

Myths like these don’t do anyone any favours. For one, how many 30+ year olds might believe that lie and not bother trying to get clean? Similarly how many people on suboxone over 4 years would believe this myth and not try to taper?

People stay on Suboxone as long as they need to, and for some it is over 5 years, and for some it is for life. Fact is, a person is ready to taper when they feel they are ready, whether it’s after 5 days (using it for detox), 5 months, 5 years. And if a person never feels ready to taper, then maybe it’s less harmful for them to just stay on Suboxone.

Like hat said, there are no hard and fast rules in this game. Everybody is different.

Author: johnboy

Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:45 am

not every body’. but a friend of mine said the same thing you did . and i hope your really ready to come off suboxone.
you will make it through this, and it takes a lot off time to recover. my friend is back using again and in the worst shape
i have ever seen him in. i.ll tell you’ if you ever feel like ,or going to use again. don’t do what he’s doing?
go back on sub’s. keep trucken!

Author: hatmaker510

Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:50 am

This was from Dr. J’s Suboxone TalkZone and was already posted under that section. All of his new blog posts are always posted under that section. Just wanted to make that clear.

Author: Ironic

Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:28 am

You said these symptoms were occurring BEFORE your slip up, right? 24 hours should definitely be enough for oral hydrocodone.

I am willing to bet that the headaches and nausea are a side effect of the Sub. There is a good chance they are from being on too high of a dose. I had headaches and they went away when I went under 8 mg/day.

When you take too much opiates, you get nauseous..how much of your DOC were you taking when you started Sub? Were you an IV user? If not, and you weren’t taking an extremely large amount, you are probably taking too much Sub..16 mg/day is a very high dose. The nausea could definitely be from a (very slight) OD on the Sub.

Author: lamerjay

Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:37 am

Great job Lily. You can do this. I’m on day 17 myself. We can do this…

Author: Breezy_Ann

Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:54 pm

I didn’t give advice, do you read anything or do you just make this stuff up as you go along. I never told him to do anything and I started my response with I don’t know, and said some people report feeling energetic on sub which is true. I get that I irritate you but at least base your negative posts to me on facts instead of changing what I say to fit your agenda.

Author: clintchris74

Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:17 pm

Thanks for your help. I actually hadn’t looked for too many yet. We had just tried 3 doctors in the area that could prescribe it. I will do a more thorough search. Thanks so much for the suggestions. We really appreciate it.

C and A

Author: clintchris74

Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:42 pm

Hi, thanks for the help and suggestions. We are new to the forum so I didn’t realize I only had to post one place.

I completely agree that the option has to be there to use or it is impossible. I myself had smoked for 20 years and recently quit. If I had a pack in my car and knew I could have one, I didn’t crave it. But as soon as they were gone and there was no option I would freak out and tear my car apart looking for one I dropped. So yeah, I agree completely. The Naltrexone was bad stuff. Mainly just the side effects. It seemed to make the cravings and withdrawals worse.

To clarify, my fiance hasn’t used any other opiates besides suboxone since she became pregnant with our son about 2 and 1/2 years ago. So far she has never relapsed. The problem I ran into was that the doctors decided it was time to come off. She made peace with that and was going through the withdrawal period. I took time off to be with her and our son went to stay with his grandparents so he didn’t have to be around the nervous people She had gone about a week and a half. It appeared the physical withdrawals were going away. However, mentally she was falling off a cliff. Her brother had just passed away, we moved, she started a new job, so she was under severe stress.
After about a week I could tell I was just losing her. By that I mean she withdrew inside, was confused and foggy, didn’t seem to care about anything, couldn’t crack a smile even for a second. Mentally she just started losing it. She was like an empty shell. I truly just felt I was alone in the house even when she was sitting by me. I could tell she was having debilitating depression. It was just getting horrible. She still never used other opiates but started to drink heavily and almost became an alcoholic over the whole thing.
With this going on I hurried and called around and just went to the first doctor that could prescribe sub. He said he would give her some but he upped her dosage and said she had a month to be off it. Crazy in my opinion. She was down to 2 mg a day and he bumped her back to 8 mg and said to start a fast taper and then he was going to give her the naltrexone. As soon as she was on sub again I had my fiance and my son’s mom back. She was back to normal. She didn’t even up the dosage as we thought that was a bad idea, she just returned to her maintenance dosage and she was absolutely fine.
Well, then the stop sub and take naltrexone day came. That was horrible. She stopped for 3 days as instructed by the doc and then took a naltrexone. Wow, it made her withdrawals insane and way worse. I’ve never seen a pill mess someone up so bad.
So she stopped that and had one sub film left. She went back to a small dosage and is ok again but now here we are. When that is gone we are back where we started. So I guess the longest she was off of it was about 2 weeks. The physical does seem to get better but mentally I know I will lose her if she has to stop that sudden. I know she will relapse or become an alcoholic.
I am going to take the advice and start calling every doctor in the area and see if any believe in long term maintenance. We are in Utah (I mean absolutely no offense to anyone’s beliefs) but in this state it seems extra hard to find people that will accept this as a disease or life long problem. But I will continue the search.

Thanks so much for all the help and any advice or experiences. My fiance knows about the forum and we are doing this together. She is also going to log in and use the forum with me so any advice anyone has for her I would really appreciate.

Thanks again to everyone and good luck on all of your experiences

C and A

Author: RockerMom

Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:15 pm

I’ve had a few bottoms. The one that finally kicked me in the ass to get on subs was when I blew through my sons future, his college education money, about 70 grand I had gotten from a settlement and put into an account for him. It was gone in a couple of months. When I had to borrow money to pay back people I borrowed from, get evicted, blah blah blah …. I hit the (hopefully) final bottom. I’ve been on subs since May 2010. I’d like to stop, but I’m scared. Why do I have to be an addict?

Author: sweet16

Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 7:08 pm

lamerjay, sounds you are in the clear. I envy you tremendously. I read where if you drink a couple cups of Gatorade, it will help a headache. I believe it is the eletrolites. I also believe by drinking some coconut water, not coconut milk, but the coconut water, it will help too. It has a ton of potassium. I also read if you take your Advil or Tylonal w/ coffee or something w/ caffeine, it will help it absorb so your headache will go away, (or get better) Lack of motivation is cured by simply getting out and forcing yourself to get a move on. If you become what you wish to have more of, it will attract that very thing. Give it a try, I hope it works for you. CONGRATS on day 17. I am looking forward to wearing those shoes very soon. Thanks for shareing, Blessings lamerjay…