They must think I’m crazy …

Author: Romeo

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 9:29 am

Hey TJ,

Congratulations on not using, I know the chaos that was swirling through your head as you were trying to do the right thing and it’s not an easy task to unlock and unload yourself from an incident like that…..way to go.

In my experience, you’re going to have to be extra careful in the minutes, hours and days following that near miss too. You got all revved up to use and sometimes it takes a little bit to really "come down" from being all revved up. It’s like you woke the dragon up and it’s going to take a little bit for that SOB to go back to sleep.

I understand your 2 month cycle of slips that you were getting too. I was on about a 3 month cycle for a while. I had many of the same thoughts and feelings that you mentioned as my drug use neared. IMO, those thoughts and feelings appeared because weeks prior, I had already opened the door to a relapse and it all just became part of the mechanism of a relapse for me.

After having been through a few relapses, I can now pick out those "feelings and thoughts" pretty quickly and come to terms with the fact that I may have opened the door to a relapse again and believe me, that door is a LOT easier to slam shut when you catch that shit early.

You already know this about me, but I’m gonna say it anyway…..I find talking out loud or writing about my "secret" thoughts helps to minimize their impact on me. It’s like it gives the logical part of my brain a minute to evaluate what the hell I was considering doing AND by telling someone else what I was thinking of doing, it provides me with some accountability. I don’t seem to quite have that accountability to myself to not use, not yet anyway.

Lastly, I also found when I first got into recovery that everything seemed so damn complicated. NA threw so much crap at me that it overwhelmed me and I was basically just sitting there paralyzed because I didn’t really know where to start. I don’t know too many people who have the recovery knowledge that you do and I honestly wonder if all that crap up in your head is just too much?? For me, the KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) principle has been working pretty well for me so far.

I think you are changing and I wish you the best of luck in your continued pursuit of being clean.

Creatine as an Antidepressant

Author: Romeo

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 10:04 am

I take creatine as a work-out supplement and a few weeks back, I decided to start looking into a new brand of creatine because I was looking for better absorption. Anyway, during my research an article popped up about creatine being used to treat depression. I was quite surprised because I had never heard anything about it being used as an antidepressant.

I didn’t give it too much more thought until a few days ago. Every month or so, I rotate off my creatine for a little less than a week so my body doesn’t get used to it. For the past half year or so, I’ve been noticing that every month or so, my mood seems to cycle down for a few days, then it goes back up. For whatever reason, I wasn’t able to put 2 + 2 together until this last week.

Last week, I cycled of my creatine and sure enough, my mood and energy were zapped. Two days ago, I cycled back onto my creatine and my mood and energy are back to normal.

I just wanted to throw this out there for any of you suffering from depression and not getting the relief you want. Please do your own research before jumping on creatine. I did find an article about it that spoke of bad reactions for people who were diagnosed bi-polar.

I Need Advice Please

Author: rule62

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 11:56 am

Thank You nogroovin for posting your experience. No one is disputing that some people suffer worse than others when stopping Sub. But we never seem to get all the information on how they did it. Did they taper down to a miniscule amount before jumping? And assuming they did, and still had the bad time, do they really think just because it happened to them that it will happen to all? That is very shallow thinking.

I have been to at least four different forums relating to Suboxone over the last 4 years and have read so many accounts of others jumping from .25 or lower and they just didn’t have that hard of time with it. Don’t the Sub bashers do their own research?

Please remember that everyone is different. If you had a hard time with it, fine, just state it as your experience. Don’t assume every person will react the same as you.

Thanks again nogroovin for posting the story of your experience. Well said.

New to this site 7 years on suboxone -trying to get off

Author: r.tide2014

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 11:59 am

I am new to this forum as well I would like to help you out. It is important to know what you where taking prior to induction on suboxone, and what was the dosage of that drug. This is critical because you may have never withdrawaled from your D.O.C. You have postponed this withdrawal through suboxone usage. Suboxone gets a bad wrap for a bad withdrawal, but this is not true. It is dependent on what the prior drug is. You have done a great job though 0.5mg/day is awesome! I would recommend skipping days that would help you out so much when you are ready to jump off. You can do this I am skipping days at the moment. My dosage is 0.5 mg/every other day. I am documenting my experience if you would like to follow.

Need some taper advice

Author: JunkieAccountant

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 1:08 pm

Today is day 4 at 1mg. Have made myself go to the park and walk or run some trails for the last 6 days. Starting to think that exercise is a great tool. Sleep now comes at around midnight and am wide awake at 7am but i am sleeping. This drop hasn’t been bad at all. Has anyone else notice that exercise & sunshine make tapering easier?

Inducted Thursday of this previous week, dosage problem!!!

Author: Taurus

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 1:38 pm

I experienced irritability during my first week on subs, and I also felt really jumpy at loud noises and anything unexpected. I noticed it about my 4th or 5th day on 6-8mg of sub per day, and I lowered my dose to 3-4mg and the irritability went away by the 2nd day. This might help you too, since you were not taking a huge amount of hydro/oxy to begin with, compared to some people who do need to be on more sub…just a thought.

need help asap please. suboxone use aftrer multiple opiates

Author: opihb89

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 2:28 pm

Thank you all for your support. My story with opiates is a somewhat long story as I race mountain bikes and do many extreme activities and as you can imagine getting injured is part of the game. Shoulder and ankle injuries in specific pushed me to self medicate and follow specific prescribed pain regimines. I did only about 1/16 of the 8mg suboxone strip and it helped with sleeping, and of course the aches and pains.

I did however feel some nausea and slight shoulder and neck tension not long after using subs. But my anxiety subsided soon after I git relaxed but the 24-48 hrs after using black, oxy ect was pretty miserable. Not to ment
ion I work full time so I NEEDED something.

I will take your advice and visit a sub doc to find a plan that works. I would like to stay with a short term plan to ween off opiates altogether. Suboxone seems like a pretty good way to acheive this. Thank god for health insurance I feel for anyone struggling without it and my hopes go out to them.

I love forums and I can’t thank you all enough for your advice and input. Feel free to continue this discussion with me while i proceed onto my path of success. God bless and thanks guys! -B