Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:07 pm
A friend of mine was given a dark orange waxy pill that his cousin said was Suboxone but I can not for the life of me find any information out about it on the internet. All I seem to be finding is "Subutex Troche", but it’s not pill form, it seems to be a gelatin/wax cube. He said that it helped him with his withdrawal symptoms but like I said, I can’t find anything out about it. I’m hoping someone here can help me! I’m trying to post a picture but the image site is down for whatever reason. I was going to use imageshack but apparently i have to wait 2 days and post 2 legit posts. i’ll wait, in the meantime if anyone knows about these i’d appreciate any informatoin you could provide!
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:31 pm
I think that when it comes out… state insurance agencies and medicaid and medicare will all say that they aren’t paying for the film anymore due to the much cheaper alternative. My doctor keeps pushing the films unless they cause blisters….. but in the end I think he will either be forced into a corner by insurance agencies or disgruntled patients. For real. What does it matter to him? People paying a crap load of money for films should have this option available immediately and all the others when insurance follows suit. Just my thinkijg.
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:18 am
This maybe redundant. But instead of using a q-tip and cotten ball. Why not put the film under your tongue and use high proof alcohol in a syringe to drop like 3 or 4 drops of it under your tongue. The same place the sub is. Then clamp down on your tongue and hold in place. I haven’t tried it. But it seems for reasonable then using cotton. I dunno…
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:19 am
I am sorry I cannot offer any help other than you are in my prayers, and I hope everyting works out for you.
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:40 am
I have run short a couple of times too. The first time I completely freaked, thought I was gonna die and all that. But I will agree with above, it is after the 48 hour mark that you will really notice it. I think what we may feel before that is our minds telling us, your out, get sick. Last week I went almost 82 hours (due to changed dr’s appt) and it was about hour 60 that I realized I was just starting to really go into withdrawls. Use distraction methods, anything you can think of, hopefully it will help. Trust me I am not minimizing it, withdrawls suck, but don’t knock yourself to hard for the swig of syrup, just chalk it up to an oops and carry on. We all make mistakes, and good luck.
Author: Amy-Work In Progress
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:02 am
That’s awesome Bboy! It always feels good when your hard work is recognized. I’m also glad that you are more clear about your education. I’m looking forward to reading about that!
Author: Amy-Work In Progress
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:06 am
Congratulations on one year!!!! That’s an awesome anniversary! I haven’t remembered to look at my own milestones in quite a while, so I’m going to figure it out now…
As of last Sunday it was 16 months sober for me!! Thanks for prompting me to think about that. I celebrate with you!
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:42 am
Interesting ideas. I can’t say if they (the medical world) have any solid idea about long term effects of an increase in tolerance. I have a personal belief based on what I’ve experienced from being on Sub, heroin and methadone over 12 or 13 years.
Using full agonists I’ve found only makes your tolerance go UP over time. That’s true for methadone as well. With full agonists, dose creep (needing more and more to get the same effect) is more noticeable than with buprenorphine. Over my using career my tolerance gradually climbed and climbed. If I went back on Suboxone I found each time I needed more to hold my cravings.
Sub was interesting because I went on it really early in my using when I was 18 or 19. I’d been using heroin maybe once every 3-5 days, and I went on Sub because I thought it’d keep me high 24/7. I went on 4mg at first and I was loaded – I was really nicely stoned so much so the doctor dropped me to 2mg. I was a bit stoned on 2mg but I eventually got used to it.
Getting off Sub was pretty straight forward, but the withdrawals from jumping off 1mg were stronger than any withdrawals I experienced from heroin. What was interesting though wasn’t the withdrawals or the PAWs … was that my cravings were actually stronger in the months after I got off Sub than they were before I got on Sub.
I really do think that any increase in overall tolerance in a persons using career can result in them experiencing more intense cravings once they stop. And it can take many months, even years for those cravings to subside. So for me, that first time on Subutex definitely increased my overall dependence on opioids, and it would probably have been better for me to just try and stop using than go the drug-replacement route. Then again I just wanted to feel high all the time, so you get what you pay for I guess.
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:04 am
Just a quick update: I’m 9 days cold turkey off of 16mg, 7 days in detox
I have not felt one single minute of withdrawal pain. They are giving me a short acting opiate + benzo every 4 hours round the clock, and phenegren, I think. At night they give me vistaril and melatonin, and they are also giving me amino acids and various vitamins. Plus, I am back on Celexa (antidepressant ) prescribed by my own doctor. I am able to eat (the food is good) and sleep through the night.
I did have one angry outburst, and i did start crying at an NA meeting, but this is nothing compared to the emotional roller coated I was on when I went off Sub on my own. I’m very happy I made this decision, but I am a little worried that things aren’t going to be so easy when I get home. I mean virtually the only thing I have to do for myself right now is take a shower and dress, etc. thats why they strongly suggest that people go to treatment after leaving here. It’s going to be a rude awakening going home and taking care of two kids, a house, laundry, bills, etc. But one day at a time.
I’m thinking of all of you and miss you,
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:25 am
Hi everybody….my name is Billy and I,m from Boston….Ive been a hard core junkie for 18 years…ive been on methadone maintainence twice….once for almost 3 yrs….Ive been on suboxone for 4 years….Ive had various lenghts of clean time from opiates….once i had 11 months and suboxone definately helped…I,m prescriped 16 mgs a day….it used too be 24….but MASSHEALTH wants your dr. to start tapering you after a year….they only want to pay for 16 mgs a day….i,m cool with that…I take between8 and 20mgs a day depending if ive been chipping….if you don,t know that term….it means using off andon….I taperered myself down to 4 mgs a day a few years ago….but then I went on a 2yr run…..which i,m still trying to stabilize from….I attend 12 step mtgs regularly and the fellowship really helps me…I,m also presribed 2mgs of klonipin a day and I think that is an awesome drug to relieve post acute withdrawel symptoms….but thats my experience…