Author: Amy-Work In Progress

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:34 am

I’m sorry that I haven’t responded before now! I know it can be hard to find a suboxone doctor with openings, let alone a sub doctor with similar treatment goals!

Have you utilized this search engine?

http://www.suboxone.com/patients/opioid_dependence/find_a_doctor.aspx

You have to enter your zip code and how far you would travel. Or there is this one:

http://www.treatmentmatch.org/

At this site you create a profile to help match you with a doctor.

Good luck to you and welcome to our forum!

Amy
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Author: Amy-Work In Progress

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:34 am

I’m sorry that I haven’t responded before now! I know it can be hard to find a suboxone doctor with openings, let alone a sub doctor with similar treatment goals!

Have you utilized this search engine?

http://www.suboxone.com/patients/opioid_dependence/find_a_doctor.aspx

You have to enter your zip code and how far you would travel. Or there is this one:

http://www.treatmentmatch.org/

At this site you create a profile to help match you with a doctor.

Good luck to you and welcome to our forum!

Amy
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Author: hopespring

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:34 am

Hi,

Torment on the drug or getting off it,?

Hey, everything has its negatives, but, most people would be hard pressed to say opiates aren’t pleasureable.
The opposite, for people getting off them.

I hear what your saying, and its sounds like your not cooked yet..As you say, you feel a bit fragile, and you fear using, if clean.
Fair enough.
I don;t know how old you are, or what stage in your life you are, or what you have been through.
But, I know all opiates are a short term fix, instead of ong term happiness.

Hypothetically,
If you could painlessly detox off bupe, and get back to that state, before you ever used, despite having the knowledge of your past addiction,. You would feel pretty damn good. lets face it, your body produces opiates naturally.
When you walk, when you move etc. (endogenous opiiods)
So why be greedy?.
Its like in lfe we get this choice,. To have super charged opiate levels, that can only lead to trouble, or just accept, that once, we did not need a pill to be happy.

It is that fear of WD and the sensation of pain, that drive this addiction. it is all in that moment, when common sense turns to fear. Anxiety kicks in, panic, then its back to addiction cycle.

When I said cooked before, i mean, it sounds that for this moment in your life, you should stay on the bupe. It took me 5 years, till I thought i was ready.(cooked)
Bupe is the place to be, to get your life back together, and then just wait till your sick enough off it, and the BS that comes with it. ie dr.s stigma, laziness, depersonalisation, no socail life, over sleeping, and every day, month year on these cray maintenance drugs, the hole just gets that little deeper to get out of.

Mate, I’m over 40, have almost been through every addiction in the book, most of us have. It was the world around me, when I moved out of home, and ventured into this crazy world.

Cigarettes, amphetamines, opiods Have now stopped them all.
I know where this road leads, and it is not for me. I could never give up before, either, any of the DOC’s
I would always restart, after a month, a year, i just did not know why. But I kept trying,
I kinda learnt, with cigs, that if i cut a slither of the nicotine patch every other day, It might work,
It did, for me,.
Its a false economy, artificial opiates, just stick to natural, I say.

Just do whatever makes you happy, This makes me happy.

HS

Author: hopespring

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:34 am

Hi,

Torment on the drug or getting off it,?

Hey, everything has its negatives, but, most people would be hard pressed to say opiates aren’t pleasureable.
The opposite, for people getting off them.

I hear what your saying, and its sounds like your not cooked yet..As you say, you feel a bit fragile, and you fear using, if clean.
Fair enough.
I don;t know how old you are, or what stage in your life you are, or what you have been through.
But, I know all opiates are a short term fix, instead of ong term happiness.

Hypothetically,
If you could painlessly detox off bupe, and get back to that state, before you ever used, despite having the knowledge of your past addiction,. You would feel pretty damn good. lets face it, your body produces opiates naturally.
When you walk, when you move etc. (endogenous opiiods)
So why be greedy?.
Its like in lfe we get this choice,. To have super charged opiate levels, that can only lead to trouble, or just accept, that once, we did not need a pill to be happy.

It is that fear of WD and the sensation of pain, that drive this addiction. it is all in that moment, when common sense turns to fear. Anxiety kicks in, panic, then its back to addiction cycle.

When I said cooked before, i mean, it sounds that for this moment in your life, you should stay on the bupe. It took me 5 years, till I thought i was ready.(cooked)
Bupe is the place to be, to get your life back together, and then just wait till your sick enough off it, and the BS that comes with it. ie dr.s stigma, laziness, depersonalisation, no socail life, over sleeping, and every day, month year on these cray maintenance drugs, the hole just gets that little deeper to get out of.

Mate, I’m over 40, have almost been through every addiction in the book, most of us have. It was the world around me, when I moved out of home, and ventured into this crazy world.

Cigarettes, amphetamines, opiods Have now stopped them all.
I know where this road leads, and it is not for me. I could never give up before, either, any of the DOC’s
I would always restart, after a month, a year, i just did not know why. But I kept trying,
I kinda learnt, with cigs, that if i cut a slither of the nicotine patch every other day, It might work,
It did, for me,.
Its a false economy, artificial opiates, just stick to natural, I say.

Just do whatever makes you happy, This makes me happy.

HS

Author: xDee_2013x

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:39 am

Hey Will, really appreciate your post. I am off to my GP in two hrs and going to write some of this stuff down. Hopefully the doctor helps me and does not tell me to go back to the drug service because they won’t give me anything but zopiclone. I am already feeling really anxious and emotional so will def ask for something for that. Will write down what you’ve wrote and speak to the doctor. I will def take some help to try and ease some of these symptoms. I am not taking any more suboxone as you’re right..what’s the point when i’m already in withdrawal. Just got to try and get some meds to help today and ride this rollercoaster till it lets me get off!!

I know what you mean by these threads empowering you..if I can help you then that also helps me This is such a great place for all of us coming off suboxone. I just keep reading all the threads and it gives me strength.

Once again thanks for your helpful post. I will update later after i’ve seen my GP. Fingers crossed he helps me.

Author: xDee_2013x

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:39 am

Hey Will, really appreciate your post. I am off to my GP in two hrs and going to write some of this stuff down. Hopefully the doctor helps me and does not tell me to go back to the drug service because they won’t give me anything but zopiclone. I am already feeling really anxious and emotional so will def ask for something for that. Will write down what you’ve wrote and speak to the doctor. I will def take some help to try and ease some of these symptoms. I am not taking any more suboxone as you’re right..what’s the point when i’m already in withdrawal. Just got to try and get some meds to help today and ride this rollercoaster till it lets me get off!!

I know what you mean by these threads empowering you..if I can help you then that also helps me This is such a great place for all of us coming off suboxone. I just keep reading all the threads and it gives me strength.

Once again thanks for your helpful post. I will update later after i’ve seen my GP. Fingers crossed he helps me.

Author: Amy-Work In Progress

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:15 am

Hi Lana and welcome to the forum!! I’m glad you found us! You will find that people here have had a variety of experiences on sub. Some of us have done just fine and others have had numerous problems with side effects and tapering.

To answer some of your questions: no, there is not, to my knowledge, any limit on the length of time you can be on suboxone when you’re on Medicaid. It really depends on the sub doctor. Some doctors want you to spend as little time possible on sub, while others advocate lifetime maintenance. What does your doctor say? My doctor acknowledges that some people will need to be on sub for a lifetime, but will help his patients taper off of it if that’s what they want to do.

I believe you are correct that there may be a connection between elevated liver enzymes and suboxone use. I don’t know of any definitive studies that prove cause and effect, but there appears to be anecdotal evidence of this. I am aware of a couple of herbs that are supposed to help the liver function better. They are milk thistle and dandelion root. I wouldn’t start taking them, however, unless you doctor thinks it’s OK.

I hope I’ve answered some of your questions. Another member is likely to come along and provide more expertise.

Amy

Author: Amy-Work In Progress

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:15 am

Hi Lana and welcome to the forum!! I’m glad you found us! You will find that people here have had a variety of experiences on sub. Some of us have done just fine and others have had numerous problems with side effects and tapering.

To answer some of your questions: no, there is not, to my knowledge, any limit on the length of time you can be on suboxone when you’re on Medicaid. It really depends on the sub doctor. Some doctors want you to spend as little time possible on sub, while others advocate lifetime maintenance. What does your doctor say? My doctor acknowledges that some people will need to be on sub for a lifetime, but will help his patients taper off of it if that’s what they want to do.

I believe you are correct that there may be a connection between elevated liver enzymes and suboxone use. I don’t know of any definitive studies that prove cause and effect, but there appears to be anecdotal evidence of this. I am aware of a couple of herbs that are supposed to help the liver function better. They are milk thistle and dandelion root. I wouldn’t start taking them, however, unless you doctor thinks it’s OK.

I hope I’ve answered some of your questions. Another member is likely to come along and provide more expertise.

Amy

Author: Jeaner

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:21 am

Well I actually slept all night had to take 3 hot hot baths but finally got the RLS under control plus I ate a good dinner last night, so i am hoping that i have mayb turned the corner a bit at least i hope so i gotta go back to work on Sat.

Romeo I have decided to cut the caffeein out all together just gonna stick to water….I think I am acutally gonna venture out today its my sis bday so i think ill go see her!!!!

Want: thanks for reponding as well this forum has been a god sent to me I apperciate everyones input and advice & i am going this a.m to purchase the foods i like to eat see if that helps

Author: Jeaner

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:21 am

Well I actually slept all night had to take 3 hot hot baths but finally got the RLS under control plus I ate a good dinner last night, so i am hoping that i have mayb turned the corner a bit at least i hope so i gotta go back to work on Sat.

Romeo I have decided to cut the caffeein out all together just gonna stick to water….I think I am acutally gonna venture out today its my sis bday so i think ill go see her!!!!

Want: thanks for reponding as well this forum has been a god sent to me I apperciate everyones input and advice & i am going this a.m to purchase the foods i like to eat see if that helps