Author: qhorsegal2

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:57 am

Hey Caboose,

Three months clear of suboxone huh? Good job!

I don’t know the answer to your question. I understand why you asked it, but I have to say that I think it is a bit of a mine field if it does get answered. I can’t guess what YOUR reaction would be, but let me tell you where MY mind would be if I was in your shoes.

#1- someone answers that Kratom does NOT affect the same receptors – I’m thinking, cool…that means I can do it again and it won’t hurt anything.

#2 – someone answers that Kratom DOES affect the same receptors – I’m thinking, crap…well, I already did it once, I guess doing it again won’t hurt anything. OR, if I’ve already screwed up with Kratom then I might as well get a decent high and get some real opiates and have one last blowout.

Listen, no judgement from me. I’ve used Kratom before for opiate WD, and I totally get how your addiction led you to want to have that one last taste of something. Hearing that Kratom is a "natural opiate" sounds just innocent enough to let your addiction trick you into thinking it’s ok. I’m just saying maybe it would be a good idea to not focus on how much damage you have done with your slip up and instead move on from here with a lesson learned and extra resolve not to let it happen again.

Good luck Caboose!

Q

Author: qhorsegal2

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:57 am

Hey Caboose,

Three months clear of suboxone huh? Good job!

I don’t know the answer to your question. I understand why you asked it, but I have to say that I think it is a bit of a mine field if it does get answered. I can’t guess what YOUR reaction would be, but let me tell you where MY mind would be if I was in your shoes.

#1- someone answers that Kratom does NOT affect the same receptors – I’m thinking, cool…that means I can do it again and it won’t hurt anything.

#2 – someone answers that Kratom DOES affect the same receptors – I’m thinking, crap…well, I already did it once, I guess doing it again won’t hurt anything. OR, if I’ve already screwed up with Kratom then I might as well get a decent high and get some real opiates and have one last blowout.

Listen, no judgement from me. I’ve used Kratom before for opiate WD, and I totally get how your addiction led you to want to have that one last taste of something. Hearing that Kratom is a "natural opiate" sounds just innocent enough to let your addiction trick you into thinking it’s ok. I’m just saying maybe it would be a good idea to not focus on how much damage you have done with your slip up and instead move on from here with a lesson learned and extra resolve not to let it happen again.

Good luck Caboose!

Q

Author: OpiatesThrowMeaway

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:38 am

I’m ready to try again. It’s been about 3 weeks since I’ve last posted.

This time I am out of opiates except for the Subutex. I have been decreasing the heroin use (sniffing) over the past several days and now its all gone and there is no easy way to get more.

I have a friend staying with me know to help with day to day tasks and my dogs so I can focus on the transition from H to bupe. I have a bunch of Valium and Xanax and I’ll use as little of those as I can as comfort drugs. I’m excited and nervous but I don’t think there is any way to wimp out now. Time will take its course. I will post again soon.

Hogan

Author: OpiatesThrowMeaway

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:38 am

I’m ready to try again. It’s been about 3 weeks since I’ve last posted.

This time I am out of opiates except for the Subutex. I have been decreasing the heroin use (sniffing) over the past several days and now its all gone and there is no easy way to get more.

I have a friend staying with me know to help with day to day tasks and my dogs so I can focus on the transition from H to bupe. I have a bunch of Valium and Xanax and I’ll use as little of those as I can as comfort drugs. I’m excited and nervous but I don’t think there is any way to wimp out now. Time will take its course. I will post again soon.

Hogan

Author: jonny62

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:16 am

The 8mg. strips are a PITA to cut smaller than .5mg!

I have been reading everywhere for months about tapering.
I also made a "chart" where I "drop doses by consistant gradual smaller amounts", (but with the 8mg. strips.)
Then I saw posts where people would skip a day here and there. So, if I can (no work/weekend) I thought I’d give it a shot?

As I already stated: "The 8mg. strips are a royal PITA" to dose down by .50mgs. and less. That is why I am tapering by 1/2 mgs.
I think I may call my dr. and ask if I can get the 2mg. strips? Then I could cut them and taper in smaller increments as you recommend.
But, I want this shit out of my system as I have no health insurance! I pay the Dr. CASH for each visit. I am also paying CASH per month…$236.11

I just checked RX prices again:
SUBOXONE 8 MG-2 MG SL FILM (30) units / quantity = $236.11
SUBOXONE 2 MG-0.5 MG SL FILM (30) units / quantity $134.65

SUBOXONE 2 MG-0.5 MG SL FILM (10) units / quantity $49.22

If I get 10 strips of the 2mgs. , I could cut them up to taper down in smaller increments (as per your recommendation), and SAVE CASH!

EDIT:
I also wanted to mention another main reason why I want OFF suboxone…..my WEIGHT.
I am 50 y/o, 6′ 2" and have always been skinny (yet very muscular) with a fast metabolism. I have never weighed more than 185 lbs? Usually I used to weigh about 175lbs. + or – .My last Drs’ visit, I weighed 156lbs! I eat and eat like there’s no tomorrow. I also physically work my ass off (manual labor) for 8-9 hrs./day. No matter how much I eat, I just keep losing weight. People are now mentioning how skinny I am (been on Sub. for 8 or 9 months?). This bothers me psychologically. I don’t want people to think I’m a skinny opiate (heroin) addict!

Author: jonny62

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:16 am

The 8mg. strips are a PITA to cut smaller than .5mg!

I have been reading everywhere for months about tapering.
I also made a "chart" where I "drop doses by consistant gradual smaller amounts", (but with the 8mg. strips.)
Then I saw posts where people would skip a day here and there. So, if I can (no work/weekend) I thought I’d give it a shot?

As I already stated: "The 8mg. strips are a royal PITA" to dose down by .50mgs. and less. That is why I am tapering by 1/2 mgs.
I think I may call my dr. and ask if I can get the 2mg. strips? Then I could cut them and taper in smaller increments as you recommend.
But, I want this shit out of my system as I have no health insurance! I pay the Dr. CASH for each visit. I am also paying CASH per month…$236.11

I just checked RX prices again:
SUBOXONE 8 MG-2 MG SL FILM (30) units / quantity = $236.11
SUBOXONE 2 MG-0.5 MG SL FILM (30) units / quantity $134.65

SUBOXONE 2 MG-0.5 MG SL FILM (10) units / quantity $49.22

If I get 10 strips of the 2mgs. , I could cut them up to taper down in smaller increments (as per your recommendation), and SAVE CASH!

EDIT:
I also wanted to mention another main reason why I want OFF suboxone…..my WEIGHT.
I am 50 y/o, 6′ 2" and have always been skinny (yet very muscular) with a fast metabolism. I have never weighed more than 185 lbs? Usually I used to weigh about 175lbs. + or – .My last Drs’ visit, I weighed 156lbs! I eat and eat like there’s no tomorrow. I also physically work my ass off (manual labor) for 8-9 hrs./day. No matter how much I eat, I just keep losing weight. People are now mentioning how skinny I am (been on Sub. for 8 or 9 months?). This bothers me psychologically. I don’t want people to think I’m a skinny opiate (heroin) addict!

Author: Thegreatestislove

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:53 pm

You said I am on the Offensive. It reminded me of my Cheerleading Days, I loved it, lived for it. Was co-captain of our squad. Was Head Cheerleader for a few years as well. That was a HUGE responsibility, but Like I said I LOVED it. There were so many times I was injured and in pain, I tore ligaments in my right knee. All kinds of things, but I never missed a pep-rally or game. I also got injured a few times while in Gymnastics for 5 years, never missed a day of practice. Never missed a recital. I pushed through everything then so I can by golly do it now too. Plus I had a part-time job during all of my extra-curricular activities. I got four raises which were pretty much unheard of for a teen working part time. I was a BULLDOG LOL! When you posted that I thought Defense, Defense!!! Offense, Offense!!! It brought back some great memories for me. Funny how a simple word can do that. Just pushing on through, emotions going full FORCE!!! I have emotions! WOW….. If the darn sweats would leave me alone I would be VERY Glad. Oh well they will leave when they get ready and I will deal with them till they do and that’s that! Minor aches and pains, low motivation, but I find some anyway because I don’t have time for any self-pity, too many people count on me. I have emotional moments, they pass and I move on. And yes I AM Fighting this bitch with everything I got. I have to! I HAVE no other option. Gotta buck up and be tough! There are lots of people in much worse conditions than myself. I also pray a LOT! God is on my side!!! Just gotta keep going. Ups n downs, but I keep on pushing!

Author: Thegreatestislove

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:53 pm

You said I am on the Offensive. It reminded me of my Cheerleading Days, I loved it, lived for it. Was co-captain of our squad. Was Head Cheerleader for a few years as well. That was a HUGE responsibility, but Like I said I LOVED it. There were so many times I was injured and in pain, I tore ligaments in my right knee. All kinds of things, but I never missed a pep-rally or game. I also got injured a few times while in Gymnastics for 5 years, never missed a day of practice. Never missed a recital. I pushed through everything then so I can by golly do it now too. Plus I had a part-time job during all of my extra-curricular activities. I got four raises which were pretty much unheard of for a teen working part time. I was a BULLDOG LOL! When you posted that I thought Defense, Defense!!! Offense, Offense!!! It brought back some great memories for me. Funny how a simple word can do that. Just pushing on through, emotions going full FORCE!!! I have emotions! WOW….. If the darn sweats would leave me alone I would be VERY Glad. Oh well they will leave when they get ready and I will deal with them till they do and that’s that! Minor aches and pains, low motivation, but I find some anyway because I don’t have time for any self-pity, too many people count on me. I have emotional moments, they pass and I move on. And yes I AM Fighting this bitch with everything I got. I have to! I HAVE no other option. Gotta buck up and be tough! There are lots of people in much worse conditions than myself. I also pray a LOT! God is on my side!!! Just gotta keep going. Ups n downs, but I keep on pushing!

Author: mrjacob

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:11 pm

Tapering off Suboxone definitely works.
You can absolutely cut a pill into as many smaller pieces as you want to… fourths or eights are preferable as you want to take as little of that medication as needed. Just enough to make u feel better / almost normal but no more as you dont want to become dependent on them.

Good luck everybody!

Author: mrjacob

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:11 pm

Tapering off Suboxone definitely works.
You can absolutely cut a pill into as many smaller pieces as you want to… fourths or eights are preferable as you want to take as little of that medication as needed. Just enough to make u feel better / almost normal but no more as you dont want to become dependent on them.

Good luck everybody!