Monthly Archives: April 2012

Stupid addict brain

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Author: amber4.14.11

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:21 am

Hey buddy,,,,,,,,,,
Youve already gotten alot of good support here, so that should make you feel much better already!!!

It sux that we cant just ‘turn off’ the addict button doesnt it????

You already know you cant help it, I mean, they were in the HOUSE for fuck sake!!!!!

I probly woulda failed, and not said anything!!!!!

Aparently, when I got my teeth pulled thursday, the dentist "assistant" called in some 5mg oxy along with my antibiotics and peridex (rinse)

I didnt even know, My husband told me today. He said he called the dentist office on his way home and told them to cancel that script. He ran to rite aid to get my Rx’s while I was at home sleeping, after the procedure.

Who knows what WOULDA happened.
I think thats whats SOOOOOOOO important about having the ‘net’ of your family and friends.

You should be SO proud of yourself. But I know its hard.

I really hope everything goes great with your daughter (as well as can be expected anyway!)
And Im really happy the ibprofen is taking care of the pain!!

TRY to have a good day!!!!!!!!!

50 days clean.

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Author: Taurus

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:47 pm

Wow! You jumped from 8mgs after 2 years and you didn’t taper at all?? That’s awesome you’ve made it 50 days and don’t have any cravings! Thanks for posting your success. Hopefully more people will come and do that to encourage those who are fearful of never being able to get off of subs.

Can’t stop sleeping off opiods

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Author: stephent

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:51 pm

slipper wrote:

Clonidine is a great drug (I take it)…but it is also a downer and can cause depression. I worked for an internist (i am an R.N., ) and he told me this about clonidine. I am certainly no doctor…but I have been around these medications and know a little about them….sometimes Dr.s can give you too much medication..trying to cover all the bases….I don’t mean to tell you not to do what your Dr. says…but you might want to talk with him about dropping some of it.

Slipper[/b]

Its not that many… I take 2 pills a day and was taking three until I got off Sub. I have had to take up to 4. Clonidine must be tapered off, I experience a little bit of rebound anxiety from it.

Anyways, I suggest talking to your therapist about the relapse. Learning why and how you relapsed can turn a bad situation into a good one. Get up, brush the dirt of your shoulder and get back at it. Maybe you need to get back on the Sub for a little while?

Buprenorphine intranasal formulation

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Author: honeywhite

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:07 pm

hatmaker510 wrote:
It sounds like you’re talking about using bupe only as a pain reliever (you mentioned microgram doses) for opiate-naive persons? Is that correct? Then there would be no need for the added naloxone ingredient, as that’s included in high dose bupe when used for addiction purposes to prevent the addict from hopefully relapsing.

I don’t know about the U.S.A., but Europeans have Targin, an oxycodone product with naloxone. Naloxone has an excellent secondary use: it prevents constipation (from opiate use only). This is also a reason for the inclusion of naloxone in Suboxone, and I’ve also had it added (by my own request) to my morphine powders for this reason. By the way, due to its interesting binding pattern, intravenous naloxone has little to no effect on buprenorphine. Suboxone can be easily abused IV with zero preparation, and naloxone dissociates from receptors within twenty minutes.

This is why a continuous infusion of Narcan is necessary for overdose reversal: the overdose WILL come back if naloxone is not given continuously. This is also why buprenorphine overdoses are HELL, since naloxone has a lot of trouble associating to receptors and replacing part or all of the buprenorphine. And trust me, buprenorphine overdoses are very possible and very often lethal.

Furthermore, OxyContin, a pill for PAIN, is often abused by injection. If Naloxone is put in the intranasal spray, people who don’t know a whole lot about opiates will realise, "Hey, this has a blocker in here, I better not shoot or I’ll end up in withdrawal!" even though this is not the case. If addiction can be stopped before it begins, there would be less need for treatment with Suboxone, i.e. the same thing but in pills rather than in spray.

hatmaker510 wrote:
Here in the US, RB’s patent for Suboxone’s tablet’s expired a year or two ago, although no one has come up with a generic yet (this is when we insert our previous discussions about why RB came out with the film to protect their financial ASSets).

I’d rather have RB go into pharmaceuticals than have Merck or Bayer or Pfizer in the business. RB is a good, honest household products company first and a pain/addiction company second. I like seeing RB in the black because I think they’re a damn sight better than most of Big Pharma.

Dosing for pain and addiction

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Author: rule62

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:07 pm

I agree that our Suboxone doctors are over prescribing the medicine. But in their defense, that is what they were taught during training. If you read the information pamphlet supplied by Reckitt Benchiser it says the maintenance dose is 16mgs. So if it says that, what is the Dr. supposed to do? Plus, my Dr. constantly had the company rep coming in almost weekly so it was always reinforced. I actually sat and talked with her about Suboxone and was she surprised to hear what I thought about it. It was a constant battle with me and my Dr. about how much I should be taking. He kept getting mad at me for tapering down w/o his permission. I agree that he should be in control of my dosing, but I couldn’t keep my eyes open with the dose prescribed.

Maybe in time they will change the prescribing amount but I doubt it. The money they are making is huge. $$$$$$$

Should we add an "Argument Room" to the forum???

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Author: tattoo tommy

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:51 pm

Romeo wrote:
OMGosh TJ, your last post made me laugh out loud!! That was priceless!!

Tommy, I’m pretty sure he wasn’t referring to this thread.

well,,wtf,,im the new dude and just kinda tryin to ease in here w/o steppin it!,,lol,,Ive had my share of steppin in it and it makes me kinda crazy, Twisted Evil ,but nowadays ,,im kinda wantin to be a bit more on the mellow side! Wink
TT

On the Cusp of Sub Treatment to Help Get Clean

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Author: rule62

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:07 pm

Taurus,

I totally agree with all you said about Suboxone and it being another drug to take. The only person I can look at is me. I have been on Sub for almost two years now and just a year ago I just knew I’d be off of it by now. Well, things don’t always happen the way you think they should.

Today I feel more vulnerable to slipping than I did a year and a half ago. What happened? Well, three surgeries and two months of radiation to my mouth and throat for one. Got several scripts for Lortab and Norco during my first couple of surgeries and was able to behave for several weeks. After that, I felt them and that was my downfall. For the life of me I just could not not take handfuls and of course the guilt came roaring back.

Once I got back on to my regular Suboxone treatment, all went well. Tried once more after that to get that full agonist high but couldn’t get it no matter how many I took. Realized that I’d need to be off the Sub for a minimum of three weeks to feel the pain meds and no way was I going to do that.

Where that leaves me now is, back at square one trying to just manage my normal Sub dose w/o taking more. Yep, started abusing my Sub too to get that little buzz going. The good part is, seeing pain pills don’t tempt me now. My wife has a script and I could care less. I know for them to do anything I’d need to stop the Sub or taper down so low that maybe I’d feel a little buzz and that is out of the question. Plus, I feel so much better on Suboxone than regular opiates.

In order for me to get real recovery I’m going to need to go back to AA or NA or any other support group where I can get some help in person. What would be really great is finding a personal addiction coach who would be able to work with me on a daily basis. That is an expensive way to get recovery and one I can’t afford. A nice idea isn’t it?

I am surprised I wrote this down. Figured it was time to get honest and start this recovery business.

Suboxone may just be another drug to take instead of pain pills but I really don’t think I would have survived without it. To me it is still a wonder drug and I am grateful to have it. When the time is right, I’ll taper and jump. But not before I have a good foundation of recovery underneath me.

Rule

Persistent Nausea on low doses of Suboxone

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Author: Darken

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:09 pm

Hey Everyone,

Although I’m sure there are other threads on this I wanted to check with the group and see if anyone had had issues with Nausea on lower doses (>2mg) of Suboxone?

I have had fairly regular episodes of nausea since starting the med a month ago. The ‘attacks’ as I call them seem to come at random times..sometimes lasting hours, sometimes minutes. Sometimes being bad enough to vomit, other times just giving me that ‘unpleasant feeling in the head’. Obviously they can be more pronounced early after taking my dose…but also happen hours after a dose as well.

I generally take 1/4 of a 2mg film in the morning and 1/4 at night making my total dose approx 1 mg daily…I would like to take it all at once but anything over 1/3 of a strip at a time makes the nausea even worse and is too intense for me. So splitting the dose makes it easier on the side effects for me.

I was opiate naive when I started the sub so I’m wondering if these side effects are due to the strength of the medicine….even so I figured after a month the side effects should subside, but they haven’t.

I was prescribed Promethazine for the nausea which usually does work if I take it early on…but I’d rather not have to take a med to counteract the side effects of another med.

Any insight would be appreciated!

Thanks.