?Anyone else at .25mg? Just split my dose into 2 X daily

Author: clarity7

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:22 pm

Hey guys –
cool

SWEET I am off it too and on day seven I think – same as you…a few days of pretty bad lethargy etc. same as every other drop..(last drop off.0625 too (half of .125???..) I had also a bit of a flu anyways and I am a wuss!!!! Stilll not entirely "normal" but have been taking valium… this could be all that is slowing me up (though it makes sure I sleep in blocks bigger than 2 hrs) ….sooooooo..as we all know not wanting to swap the witch for the bitch or whatever they say…. I got 2mg vals yesterday and told the doctor that was the last time I would be back (and at $120 AUS dollars a go … it should be!! ) …and wrote out a two week ween plan for myself…I haven’t been on them long but – quite honestly when the directions say…."take one when needed" …. to a recovering addict or whatever I am… I took a few too many because they were there… and anyway.. I truly am not sure if I would have dealt with the sleeplessness and muscle aches on those "bad" days anyway… so nicotine (14 mnths) – Alcohol,Heroin, Shooting up suboxone, Speed etc etc … all six months clean on the 8th of Aprril!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! longest ever so excited…GOD and 12 step for me (my opinion).. but I am so glad I found this forum too….especially because my darling Husband..is NEARLY there but not yet…. (but will be!!!!) addict/alc so its been awesome support..
How are you feeling today sweet ? Its amazing really …. I’m sure you feel fine like me… what next conquer the world???

Take care Clarity7

?Anyone else at .25mg? Just split my dose into 2 X daily

Author: clarity7

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:22 pm

Hey guys –
cool

SWEET I am off it too and on day seven I think – same as you…a few days of pretty bad lethargy etc. same as every other drop..(last drop off.0625 too (half of .125???..) I had also a bit of a flu anyways and I am a wuss!!!! Stilll not entirely "normal" but have been taking valium… this could be all that is slowing me up (though it makes sure I sleep in blocks bigger than 2 hrs) ….sooooooo..as we all know not wanting to swap the witch for the bitch or whatever they say…. I got 2mg vals yesterday and told the doctor that was the last time I would be back (and at $120 AUS dollars a go … it should be!! ) …and wrote out a two week ween plan for myself…I haven’t been on them long but – quite honestly when the directions say…."take one when needed" …. to a recovering addict or whatever I am… I took a few too many because they were there… and anyway.. I truly am not sure if I would have dealt with the sleeplessness and muscle aches on those "bad" days anyway… so nicotine (14 mnths) – Alcohol,Heroin, Shooting up suboxone, Speed etc etc … all six months clean on the 8th of Aprril!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! longest ever so excited…GOD and 12 step for me (my opinion).. but I am so glad I found this forum too….especially because my darling Husband..is NEARLY there but not yet…. (but will be!!!!) addict/alc so its been awesome support..
How are you feeling today sweet ? Its amazing really …. I’m sure you feel fine like me… what next conquer the world???

Take care Clarity7

Are you an Introvert?

Author: Romeo

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:51 pm

WOW!!!

WOW, WOW, WOW…..all I can say is WOW!!

My book came in the mail today, I’ve only read about 40 or 50 pages, but WOW!! The title of the book should read, "Romeo, this is the owners manual you’ve been searching for for so long."

As an introvert, trying to fit into an extraverted world is difficult, but this book has some great tips on how to manage that.

This book would also be a good read for you extraverts who have introverts in your life. Do you have a spouse or a child that’s introverted, then you should check out this book, you’re guaranteed to go AHA a few times.

Are you an Introvert?

Author: Romeo

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:51 pm

WOW!!!

WOW, WOW, WOW…..all I can say is WOW!!

My book came in the mail today, I’ve only read about 40 or 50 pages, but WOW!! The title of the book should read, "Romeo, this is the owners manual you’ve been searching for for so long."

As an introvert, trying to fit into an extraverted world is difficult, but this book has some great tips on how to manage that.

This book would also be a good read for you extraverts who have introverts in your life. Do you have a spouse or a child that’s introverted, then you should check out this book, you’re guaranteed to go AHA a few times.

side effects with dose increase

Author: anxiousSN

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:09 pm

I have almost been off twice and had to raise my dose for pain. This time I was down to 1mg and had to have a tooth extracted; had to go to 4mg for a week and been on 3mg for 3 weeks. I am extremely tired and so sleepy that I can barely function half of the day. Could this be due to the rapid inc in dose? Seems like the fatigue and sleepiness occur after I take my subutex. What has been you all’s experience when you’ve had to raise your dose. Have you experienced the same?

side effects with dose increase

Author: anxiousSN

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:09 pm

I have almost been off twice and had to raise my dose for pain. This time I was down to 1mg and had to have a tooth extracted; had to go to 4mg for a week and been on 3mg for 3 weeks. I am extremely tired and so sleepy that I can barely function half of the day. Could this be due to the rapid inc in dose? Seems like the fatigue and sleepiness occur after I take my subutex. What has been you all’s experience when you’ve had to raise your dose. Have you experienced the same?

low dose/short term sub inductn(a bit of self awareness too)

Author: Sabine

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:09 pm

I have spent the last solid year using between 15-60 mg of oxycodone daily. Year prior to that it was an on and off thing perhaps a one week or one month bender hear and there, but a little bit of a snotty nose and fatigue and I was fine. The ex was the main user and I codependently joined in the fun when it suited me. I had a month clean once back in August 2011 with little withdrawal after just one week on methadone. Had very little issues. Never really thought about taking pills, it didn’t seem like much of a big deal–the ex was gone and so was the using. Perhaps I was so scared of the direction the doomed relationship (and the life we were suppossed to be building) was sailing as the ex would take enormous amounts if available and ultimately graduated to shooting. He crossed a very scary line and my finances (sole breadwinner) were wrecked. Also leading up to my discovery, I met a parade of other users that were in various stages of loosing all that they had. Homeless, jobless, carless, track marked skin, rotted teeth, neglected children who at the age of five knew that their mamma had to "get straight" first thing every morning before she could have breakfast, some mammas that already lost their children and didn’t seem to care, nodding out zombified people with polka-dotted with cigarette burns bedding. These people came and went as my ex searched for the next great connection. Even allowing those with meds to stay with us, until they ran out and didn’t pay rent and got kicked to the curb, sometimes with a fight. It was terrifying. The discovery scared me straight for that month and the mental aspect (I thought) was licked. Perhaps I wasn’t an addict. Perhaps I was just a true hard core codependent enabler. Such a bad one that I in fact joined in and became physically dependent.

I have found that I was wrong. The mental thing wasn’t licked. Relapse on both the boy and the drug. In September, I let him come back and we used together again. And I was never a completely irresponsible addict. I took mothering my own two kidsand my profession seriously. I worked hard at both and generally took only 15-30 mg a day. I was generally in control. Took doses as needed to feel good but not get blitzed, far from blitzed as my tolerance built. After three weeks the ex had some pressing legal issues to attend to. Thank goodness. A new try, taper to methadone very short term get off, no big deal. Got down to 2.5mg, but didn’t jump. Figured oxy here and there would be okay until I jumped. Then more oxy and less methadone. My parents moved in to help them save and help me getting my life, budget on track. Get clean. I hid the use from everybody. Still relatively minor amounts held stead at 30-45 mg most days. Then bam, got my tax return.
Battling depression and anxiety and codependency as the ex tried daily to worm his way back into his meal ticket. Extra money got spent increasing my tolerance. Held steady at 45-60 mg for a few weeks. Blew through the cash. Hid the use. Was loosing my own dosing control. Things that were suppossed to be saved wouldn’t be. I never had this loss of control before. I had always been the responsible one holding stuff together. I had my parents to help me with the kids and the responsibilties that I held up on my own before without any problems. I leaned on them. I needed them. I used their support to escape the reality of a scary transition to single motherhood. I finally discovered the true meaning of addiction as my own obsession took hold.

So as "good" friends ripped me off for about 600 bucks, I started realizing how little control I had over my mental capacities. I longed for the taste and the drip and the rush that I don’t need to remind every one of here. I looked forward to my morning use. I used places I never thought I would. I always snorted. I was more and more scared. As I hit the 90 mg mark a few days in between here and there, I got scared. Enough to be scared straight. Almost. I hope. Just knowing that I lost that self control was scary. Never too bad. At least not as bad as I had seen. I never nodded out like the needle users I met. I never neglected household or child rearing duties. I kept myself from getting too sick to function even when I couldn’t find anything.

I admitted that I was indeed not just a codependent who adopted my mates addiction for a while. I was on my own using. I was escaping the pain of transition. I came clean with the parents. Gave them carte blanche on my tapering plans and finances. First I tapered on methadone again. Just as I did before. Then I got a few 8 mg suboxone. I was down to 2.5 mg methadone again and a little oxy 5-15ish a day. Took my last methadone Tuesday, (long acting). Took oxy Wednesday, Thurday, Friday 20ish mg give or take. Today was the last day. Perhaps took a bit more than 20mg (60ish) just for that one last time. I’m so ready to be done with the dependency, but I’m also ready to release my mind from this obsession. Though I’m scared to be saying goodbye to my crutch, my friend (evil little false happiness inducing devil) that helped me release my brain from the ex (previous crutch). Moving on I wonder about the loneliness and the anxiety (preexisting, but numbed while using) I attended my first NA meeting yesterday. Got some yoga and one on one counseling lined up. I have a very supportive family. I’m ready.

So what dose of Subs should I plan on taking? From approximately 20-30 mg of opiates (oxy) to what on suboxone. I know to wait the recommended 12-24 hours to feel like crap when I take it. I planning on 1mg to start, but no more than 2mg most days for about a week, then nothing except some sleep aids and any OTC’s that may help. Though I could drag it out for two weeks, but I want to just get it over with. I’m in a professional field so can’t miss work or be sick at work.

So it goes. So it goes. And indeed there will be time… And time yet for a hundred indecisions. And time for a hundred visions and revisions…I have known them all already, known them all: Have known the evenings, mornings, afternoons, I have measures out my life with coffee spoons; I know the voices dying with a dying fall. Vonnegut and Eliot offer me insight. But how about any of you? How much suboxone? How long?
So how should I presume?
Any tips or suggestions?
Do I dare disturb the universe?

low dose/short term sub inductn(a bit of self awareness too)

Author: Sabine

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:09 pm

I have spent the last solid year using between 15-60 mg of oxycodone daily. Year prior to that it was an on and off thing perhaps a one week or one month bender hear and there, but a little bit of a snotty nose and fatigue and I was fine. The ex was the main user and I codependently joined in the fun when it suited me. I had a month clean once back in August 2011 with little withdrawal after just one week on methadone. Had very little issues. Never really thought about taking pills, it didn’t seem like much of a big deal–the ex was gone and so was the using. Perhaps I was so scared of the direction the doomed relationship (and the life we were suppossed to be building) was sailing as the ex would take enormous amounts if available and ultimately graduated to shooting. He crossed a very scary line and my finances (sole breadwinner) were wrecked. Also leading up to my discovery, I met a parade of other users that were in various stages of loosing all that they had. Homeless, jobless, carless, track marked skin, rotted teeth, neglected children who at the age of five knew that their mamma had to "get straight" first thing every morning before she could have breakfast, some mammas that already lost their children and didn’t seem to care, nodding out zombified people with polka-dotted with cigarette burns bedding. These people came and went as my ex searched for the next great connection. Even allowing those with meds to stay with us, until they ran out and didn’t pay rent and got kicked to the curb, sometimes with a fight. It was terrifying. The discovery scared me straight for that month and the mental aspect (I thought) was licked. Perhaps I wasn’t an addict. Perhaps I was just a true hard core codependent enabler. Such a bad one that I in fact joined in and became physically dependent.

I have found that I was wrong. The mental thing wasn’t licked. Relapse on both the boy and the drug. In September, I let him come back and we used together again. And I was never a completely irresponsible addict. I took mothering my own two kidsand my profession seriously. I worked hard at both and generally took only 15-30 mg a day. I was generally in control. Took doses as needed to feel good but not get blitzed, far from blitzed as my tolerance built. After three weeks the ex had some pressing legal issues to attend to. Thank goodness. A new try, taper to methadone very short term get off, no big deal. Got down to 2.5mg, but didn’t jump. Figured oxy here and there would be okay until I jumped. Then more oxy and less methadone. My parents moved in to help them save and help me getting my life, budget on track. Get clean. I hid the use from everybody. Still relatively minor amounts held stead at 30-45 mg most days. Then bam, got my tax return.
Battling depression and anxiety and codependency as the ex tried daily to worm his way back into his meal ticket. Extra money got spent increasing my tolerance. Held steady at 45-60 mg for a few weeks. Blew through the cash. Hid the use. Was loosing my own dosing control. Things that were suppossed to be saved wouldn’t be. I never had this loss of control before. I had always been the responsible one holding stuff together. I had my parents to help me with the kids and the responsibilties that I held up on my own before without any problems. I leaned on them. I needed them. I used their support to escape the reality of a scary transition to single motherhood. I finally discovered the true meaning of addiction as my own obsession took hold.

So as "good" friends ripped me off for about 600 bucks, I started realizing how little control I had over my mental capacities. I longed for the taste and the drip and the rush that I don’t need to remind every one of here. I looked forward to my morning use. I used places I never thought I would. I always snorted. I was more and more scared. As I hit the 90 mg mark a few days in between here and there, I got scared. Enough to be scared straight. Almost. I hope. Just knowing that I lost that self control was scary. Never too bad. At least not as bad as I had seen. I never nodded out like the needle users I met. I never neglected household or child rearing duties. I kept myself from getting too sick to function even when I couldn’t find anything.

I admitted that I was indeed not just a codependent who adopted my mates addiction for a while. I was on my own using. I was escaping the pain of transition. I came clean with the parents. Gave them carte blanche on my tapering plans and finances. First I tapered on methadone again. Just as I did before. Then I got a few 8 mg suboxone. I was down to 2.5 mg methadone again and a little oxy 5-15ish a day. Took my last methadone Tuesday, (long acting). Took oxy Wednesday, Thurday, Friday 20ish mg give or take. Today was the last day. Perhaps took a bit more than 20mg (60ish) just for that one last time. I’m so ready to be done with the dependency, but I’m also ready to release my mind from this obsession. Though I’m scared to be saying goodbye to my crutch, my friend (evil little false happiness inducing devil) that helped me release my brain from the ex (previous crutch). Moving on I wonder about the loneliness and the anxiety (preexisting, but numbed while using) I attended my first NA meeting yesterday. Got some yoga and one on one counseling lined up. I have a very supportive family. I’m ready.

So what dose of Subs should I plan on taking? From approximately 20-30 mg of opiates (oxy) to what on suboxone. I know to wait the recommended 12-24 hours to feel like crap when I take it. I planning on 1mg to start, but no more than 2mg most days for about a week, then nothing except some sleep aids and any OTC’s that may help. Though I could drag it out for two weeks, but I want to just get it over with. I’m in a professional field so can’t miss work or be sick at work.

So it goes. So it goes. And indeed there will be time… And time yet for a hundred indecisions. And time for a hundred visions and revisions…I have known them all already, known them all: Have known the evenings, mornings, afternoons, I have measures out my life with coffee spoons; I know the voices dying with a dying fall. Vonnegut and Eliot offer me insight. But how about any of you? How much suboxone? How long?
So how should I presume?
Any tips or suggestions?
Do I dare disturb the universe?

Saying hello, and I’m feeling very lucky to be here

Author: honeybee415

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:42 pm

oclafsti- i get what you mean…i dont think every junkie is a loser. i’m a addict i don’t understand the bitterness i am here on this site because i was abusing drugs, i assume same for you. no need to make an issue, i’m not one to judge someone i dont know or their situation… not up for bad vibes : /

@groove sorry to hear about what happnened in your family . As for mine. the kids are now with their money and in a better home, and as far as i know my relative is still not any better, but i do hope he gets clean for his kids and himself before something else bad happens, its just sad. and there are a lot of positive i d rather focus on ..like my sons 1st birthday next month. we are very excited and planning a party! this is so near an dear to my heart . I never realized how possibel it was to love until i had kids, i know yours are older but i m sure you remember the feeling of when they were babies!

Saying hello, and I’m feeling very lucky to be here

Author: honeybee415

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:42 pm

oclafsti- i get what you mean…i dont think every junkie is a loser. i’m a addict i don’t understand the bitterness i am here on this site because i was abusing drugs, i assume same for you. no need to make an issue, i’m not one to judge someone i dont know or their situation… not up for bad vibes : /

@groove sorry to hear about what happnened in your family . As for mine. the kids are now with their money and in a better home, and as far as i know my relative is still not any better, but i do hope he gets clean for his kids and himself before something else bad happens, its just sad. and there are a lot of positive i d rather focus on ..like my sons 1st birthday next month. we are very excited and planning a party! this is so near an dear to my heart . I never realized how possibel it was to love until i had kids, i know yours are older but i m sure you remember the feeling of when they were babies!