Author: tearj3rker

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:43 am

If these mothers really knew what they were in store for, and how much harm all opioids can inflict on an infant, the discrimination and protective services, money on that most would not put their baby, their family, and themselves through all the risk & drama that ensues. But these mothers just don’t know.

Most people on Suboxone outside of this educated internet-savvy group are blissfully unaware that it is, as you say, a potent opioid. They class it as something completely different to methadone & morphine. So many people leave their doctors office after induction completely unaware that Suboxone is dependence forming and has withdrawal symptoms, and if they do, they think the symptoms pale in comparison with the full agonists. Armed with this lack of knowledge, it would be easy for some mothers to be lulled into a false sense of security.

So when they see their newborn being force-fed morphine, a well known "potent opiate", when they’ve only been exposing their baby to the apparently milder Suboxone in utero, of course they go nana. But is it the mother’s fault for worrying and blaming? Or is it the lack of disclosure / information provided? The belief that Suboxone is something different than it really is?

Myself I see a lot of merit in using morphine to ween infants off buprenorphine. Buprenorphine detox is quite unpredictable, whereas morphine is more straight-forward. The medical world has no studies in using buprenorphine in babies. Morphine has a proven track record for decades.

That’s all Ilovemybaby has been doing all along. Why do you think she came here?

People make mistakes.

Author: tearj3rker

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:54 am

Jonathanm nailed it right there.

I did a quick google to confirm, and actually found this:

Given Hep C is very common in ex-drug addicts, it’s a serious reminder for people on Suboxone to get regular LFT’s.

Author: exorphin

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 9:18 am

I just got this article link in my e-mail from drugs.com-
about Zohydro:

http://www.drugs.com/news/new-painkiller-worries-experts-35603.html

-ex-

Author: johnboy

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:22 pm

i believe a much higher dose of suboxone will take care of your craving!! and yes every one is not the same". but the medication’ suboxone is!! if every one was on a much higher dose of subs nobody would be complaining about cravings.
and i am speaking for my self also. the doctors keep raising or lowering sub doses on patients because we and the docs
need to be 100% correct and open about how we treated our self in the past.

Author: jonathanm1978

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:05 pm

Do you have this attitude in every post that you respond to..or is it just certain people..

Sounds pretty judgmental to say that about film..like you’re dissing someone that takes the film …

If it’s the scam you say it is, then I’m going to continue to be a party to it..because I ASKED MY DOCTOR to switch me. He told me he would give me the pill form back if I wanted..but I prefer the "crappy film" instead.

I’ll leave the scam part that you swear by to be between Caremark/CVS (my insurance carrier via BCBS of AL) and Reckitt Benckiser. All I’m worried with is the $80 a month I slap down for #any number over $79 worth at $1.36 each.

Author: hatmaker510

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:26 pm

Hello and welcome to the forum. First of all I want to congratulate you on starting your sub treatment. Yes, you had a small blip in the road, but as you said, it’s done and over, so put it behind you now and keep moving forward.

As for your doctor, my advice to you is to be upfront and honest. I would tell the doctor what happened before any urine test is done. Let her hear it from you and not the test results! If you show her honesty and humility and respect it’s my opinion that you’ll get the same in return.

Just be honest and open about what happened and why you think it happened. Depending on how good of an sub doc she is, she might want to discuss it with you and how to avoid a repeat of the same circumstances. If she knows you’re working on this (especially along with therapy!), that also will show her how serious you are.

If you only used once or even twice in just a one day period, you should be fine to take your next sub dose. The sub should still be tightly bound to your receptors, so you ought to be fine to avoid any P/W. Just to be clear and specific though, what did you take, how many times, over what period of time did you take it, and when was the last time you took anything?

No, if you used for say 3 or 4 days, then you’d best wait for at least 12 hours then you can go back on suboxone. Much longer than that and there will be a need to start discussing whether another re-induction is warranted to avoid P/W or not.

I hope this is helpful for you. Give us some more info on what you used, but as I said, if you only used once, you should be fine to just go ahead and take your suboxone.

Author: hatmaker510

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:52 pm

Ladder, I remember when you first started your sub taper. It was like you psyched yourself out, remember? Try to take care not to do that again, because the worst you expect it to be, generally the worse it will become. I’ve come across people who never heard of PAWS and never anticipated it and therefore had few noticeable, life-interfering problems with it. I think this goes to show again just how much of it is mental. But you know all this Ladder…..

OK, so if it were me, the first thing I’d do is stop reading about PAWS and stop talking about PAWS. I’d do everything to put PAWS out of my head. The more you think about it the more you will perseverate on it and the worse you will feel – at least that’s what I believe. (But I’m saying this because of the kind of person I am. I don’t know if that’s something that you’ll need/want to do or not.)

With all that said, I wish one of us could give you a concise answer to your question. I can tell you this though, I do recall members coming back to check in over the last couple of years and I’ve read of people who were done with PAWS in less than 6 months.

Just try not to freak yourself out or set up some self-fulfilling prophecy, because you might be just fine in 6 weeks from now! But if you’re freaking out about PAWS, you may not even notice it!

(Sorry guys, I had no sleep last night – I hope I’m making some kind of sense.)

Author: hatmaker510

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:02 pm

Hello anonymous soldier and welcome to the forum. You’ve already received some excellent advice from the above posters.

My resources say the same thing that Romeo offered-that bupe will remain in your system for 2-4 days. The source I got this from bases their numbers on taking it ONE TIME and not being a regular user.

Here’s more on drug testing for bupe (suboxone/subutex)

Lastly, also thanks for your service to our nation.
~From an Army vet.

Author: amber4.14.11

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:59 pm

OH YES it for sure does……I heard someone say "its the most difficult thankless job, you’ll ever love" that about sums it up!!!!!

it makes you thankful for the once a month, the kid (kids for you) sleep an hour later,,, and when you wake up later than normal,,, you wonder if they died!! LOL

Ive really enjoyed this week off from work, I know it will be hard to go back to work monday, but like I said Im trying to take it all in, while I have the chance.
today we painted, and we made macoroni necklaces,,, you know the stuff I dont have time for when I get home from work.

Id really like to have another child some day, but it took 5 years to get pregnant with my son…. my mom had problems getting pregnant as well,, she never used any birth control, she was even on fertility shots once. and she only had me and my brother, we are 7 years apart. So Im just taking it as it comes……..and hoping one day I will be blessed with another, but if not thats okay too,, I’ll be perfectly happy with the son I do have. It really pisses me off when people act as if thier children are this huge "burden" thats been laid upon them…..
I know being a parent is tough, and your allowed to have ‘bad days’ but parents should think about all those people out there who would pay thousands or give ANYTHING at a moments notice to be a parent….
You know???

K, im off my ‘soap box’ LOL
I never used to have opinions about much of ANYthing at all,,, its so funny the moment you start to think clearly, you DO form opinions about things, and passion about others….

HAPPY NEW YEAR by the way!!

Author: ginnest

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:01 pm

hi guys yeah that sounds like a good idea to stay on the 8mg for the month until i feel a little normal and then "make out i need to go back up to 10mg" while still trying to drop to 6mg and so on, making sure iv got a fair amount of sub tucked away for when i do have to jump off at 2mg that’s the only way i think its going to work for me thanks for the good advice guys…wow i better shut up about how much i pay for suds:) i still think it should be free the chemist seem to set the price to what ever they want.thanks again for the advice and support very much appreciated.