Author: Breezy_Ann

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:26 am

Once again I am so sorry for what you have been thru with your daughter. I believe you are right in taking care of yourself now. I can’t imagine how difficult this must be for you and am sorry you are hurting.

I still must add one thing, I absolutely do not believe that your daughters problem is sub, I am not saying she doesn’t use it but it is nearly impossible for sub to continued to be abused and cause the behaviors you are suggesting. After a fairly short time on sub a person can not get any sort of high from it, no matter how much you take. Essentially after just a short time on sub an opiate addict simply feels "normal" or whatever you want to call it but definately no euphoria.

In your post you seem to acknowledge that your daughter tells lie after lie so is it such a stretch to believe she is using other drugs and blaming it on the sub? I am not saying this to insult or question you but I truly believe your daughters issues are not sub induced. If no other drugs really are involved (which I highly doubt) then I would believe her behavior to be caused by a mental disorder. Sub just doesn’t work that way. I wish you a happy, healthy life and sincerely hope that one day your daughter will be ready to accept the help she needs.

Author: donh

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:42 am

Well that answers that… if Sub didn’t work all that well in the past, there is no reason to think it would work any better now. I somehow thought that you did just fine while on the Sub. Although, just because you feel "something" does not mean you are getting high from it. I mean, you’ll feel "something" if you take Benedryl, some muscle relaxers, etc. That does not mean that you are getting high or euphoria from it. I can fully appreciate that once you have gotten passed the withdrawals and PAWS of getting off of Sub you don’t want to go back again. I would feel differently if you were telling me you did very well and had few if any relapses while on Sub. That doesn’t seem to be the case.

Hellmuth, I guess I’m not even sure what to say to you. I see you are new here – or at least have only posted a handful of times, so I don’t want to run you off or anything, but geeze man, you almost sound like you know NOTHING about addiction. Are you even someone who has been addicted? I really have to ask that as you sound exactly like those who have never dealt with this God awfull illness and have a family member who they just tell "well what’s the problem, man up and stop taking drugs, that’s all there is to it." As if it’s just that simple. Then I read:

"Each day he will be adding one more brick to his house of happiness if he just follows these 2 simple rules. 1. no more drugs ever again, no god damm excuses, man up! 2. Do the right thing (love and support your family, be kind to people, help others, just be the best person you can be and give back to society as much as you can)"

TWO SIMPLE RULES – are you frikin kidding me? SIMPLE??????? No more drugs ever again. Oh, yeah, sure, simple… no problem. You have solved drug addiction for all of us… it’s SIMPLE, just don’t ever take drugs again. Problem solved,… next. That’s like the old Steve Martin Joke of how to be a millionaire… "First, get a million dollars, then…" I mean really, you can’t be serious. SIMPLE RULE, just don’t do drugs. Let’s not forget simple rule number two of "do the right thing". I mean where else can I even go with this?

Ladder – Holy Shit and wow… what an awesome post! We are all extreemly lucky to have someone like you around here. You cut to the heart of the matter better than many addiction "professionals" could/would. Thanks for taking the time and having the guts and smarts to do it!!!! Just wow!

Thanks again Romeo for your honesty. I really don’t know if any of us have helped you, but I have no doubt that you have helped many of us just by being willing to post all of this!

Author: NoRegret03

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:36 pm

Thank you guys so much…. Since I was 18 (26now) I’ve always used alcohol or drugs for one reason or the other… mostly because of the confidence I gain when high.. I thought i was ready to get off this stuff and get ready for the next chapter…but the feeling of emptiness/hollowness I felt last week was a humbling eye opener… I am going to re-think getting off over Christmas.. I am going to taper lower and longer just to make sure theres no chances of set back again…I feel like I set myself back a little by attempting to jump off from 2mg to nothing last week… Because of you guys comments I am strongly going to reconsider.. I honestly, can’t remember what it felt like to be drug/alcohol free… I used to give credit to drugs getting me through 5 years of college! how stupid/sad is that!. .. Drugs/Partying/Alcohol became my identity as sad as that is!.. and i felt really comfortable with that. Its challenging to face life in your own skin and completely vulnerable… Sub has given me my old self and confidence back. I am very thankful for that…. I just can’t help but feel discouraged because I feel like 2.5 years is a long time to be on this medication..but this site has gave me alot of confidence and insight on tapering.. im glad i found this community..thank you guys for the replies and thoughts.

Author: smithjm

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:51 pm

Hi all. I need help, not criticism or put downs. So please save that for someone else. I have been on sub’s since July. Started on 16 mg’s and have tapered to 8mg’s a day. My problem, I have had my boyfriend keeping them under lock and key as I have no control. Being an addict I get it into my head that if one is good two is better and so on. I have decided that I wanted control and that I needed to get control. So I got my RX on the 22 of Nov. and I am now down to 7 full 8mg’s and 8 2mg’s as I took some and cut them into 2mg’s thinking that I could take 2mg’s here and there and then on my last 7 days before my next apt on the 22 Dec. It would be all hunk dory. The thing is my BF does not know and I fear the criticism I will get from him. I have let him down so much in the past as it is and it just hurts to think of doing it again…. Why did I do it…..? God if I knew that I would not be here asking for help… This just proves that I cannot control them myself. Thanks.

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Author: rule62

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:42 pm

I think living in Las Vegas has a negative effect trying to get pain relief. The addiction rate here is high and I think doctors are leery to give out addictive substances.

Johnboy, I wish I could have had some decent drug therapy but was left to suffer with pain at a steady 9, sometimes 10 whenever I tried to swallow. If you’ve been through it, you know. Never had pain like that before.

But yes, I am doing much better than last week and only have moderate pain swallowing. Still haven’t had the courage to eat anything spicy or salty yet. Had my tonsils out at 13 and learned from that. Ate a potato chip after 2 weeks and thought someone had stabbed a knife in my throat! So my memory of that is still alive and kickin’. Maybe in two more weeks I’ll try spicy food, which I love.

Funny thing is, after eating mostly soup with extra rice, my stomach has shrunk and I’m not used to high fat foods and don’t crave them anymore. All I could think of in that first week was pizza, burgers, and taco’s. All I really want to eat now is soup and light foods. Lost about 10lbs which really isn’t much for what I’ve been through. I will end up losing more after the radiation starts so I will need to put the weight back on. Need new levi’s but don’t want to buy a pair when I’ll probably put the weight back on later. Kind of glad I did have some extra fat on me to get me through the tough period. My wife says I look like the man she married 21 years ago.

They haven’t scheduled my last surgery yet and now that I feel better I may as well get it over with ASAP. He will cut the shit out of my mouth so my throat will work but my mouth won’t.

Now for the honesty. Ever since the pain went down considerably, and now that I can actually FEEL the pain meds, I have been taking a wee bit more than I should. Damn addictive brain took over as my tolerance got higher. I don’t have enough pills to last until my next surgery so I will go back on the lowest dose of Sub that will keep my w/d’s at bay. Sorry guys, I slipped. I HATE BEING AN ADDICT!!

You guys are really a second family to me and know that your support has been helpful.

That’s the truth for today.

Author: meltalk

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:06 pm

Sweet 16
I think you for keeping us posted with your tapering, it is a big help for us thinking about tapering soon. You are doing wonderful and keeping a great attitude along the way.
I’m CHEERING for you !!!!! You can do it, you are doing it and that is exciting!!!!! So you said you started at 8 mg when did you start tapering?? Did you go slow at the beginning or did you do a big drop in the beginning? I was thinking about starting to taper but feel I need more time. I still can not see a life with "NOTHING".

Again thanks for the report and I’m cheering for you and very Proud of you keep it up.

Mel