Author: rule62

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:38 pm

Maryland sounds like California a few years ago. Cali is one tough state on guns but it hasn’t made one bit of difference. I’m in Nevada and we don’t like a lot of laws. To purchase a handgun here there is no waiting period. They do a background check through the state database and that takes a few minutes. Then you must register the gun with our Metro Police Dept. The wait for a concealed carry is 120 days. Yea, that’s four months. They said in class that the permit goes through the FBI. Whether that’s true or not I don’t know. Four months is a long time to wait.

Someone in class asked if it was legal to open carry in NV. The instructor said no. Then he said that you can’t be arrested for open carry because there is no law on the books. There must be a law for something to be legal or not. Trick question. I bet over 70% of residents here have a CCW. I can even carry concealed in my car w/o a CCW. They consider your vehicle is a space similar to your home and you have the right to have one there. I love our lack of gun laws here. Next time you’re in Vegas, go shoot a machine gun. Several gun stores will let you. They have almost every kind of machine gun ever made. It’s expensive though.

Sorry for the book. Now I want to go to the range and blast off a box or two…

Author: dzeman21

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 5:29 pm

Oh and also don’t think I am just really tough and positive. I used to be the type that could not stand OC withdrawl and wouldn’t even get out of bed.

I really think making a decision on your own about when your ready is most important. Also I would recommend trying to get through it using only OTC drugs because I believe you shouldn’t try to get off until you are ready to move on completely from the drug lifestyle.

Author: Fiveseven15

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 5:54 pm

it doesnt matter if you drop .00001mg or 100mg, if you’re not mentally ready for it, it’ll make all the difference (personally, i wouldn’t if you’re not ready. when you’re mentally ready it is MUCH easier). personally, i was prescribed 8mg, but took 16 because i have no self control, and then would freak out when i got down to 4 strips and cut them up as small as 2mg. for ME (everyone’s different) it was all mental. i had NO WD going from 12 days of 16mg down to 4 or 2. just mental issues, like i would THINK i need more, but i still had so much loaded in my system i slept nearly all day. 6mg of subs would still destroy 800mg of codeine i think(we’re talking like tylenol 3 codeine and not coDONE like oxycodone right?) i had a gram+ day habit of H, straight from mexico (sinaloa guys supposedly. i never did the dirty work :p) and when i checked into rehab 4mg was plenty to keep me good, but i wanted a higher dose just because of the addict in me.

if you REALLY don’t even want to go there just tell the doc you’re not ready, and if you can push it back a month. most sub docs are usually kind of enablers anyway i’ve found out, but push it back, and try it on your own. take 6mg. one day or a couple days. i’m betting you won’t feel a difference physically.

Author: Tammy

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:04 pm

Ok so I had to be off sub for about a week or 8 days to be precise. My supply got thrown in the bin accidentally by my Mother. Luckily I manage to get the supply back (do not ask how I got it hehe)..Now I cannot seem to stabilize on a sub dose..I was taking anywhere around 0.5 and 0.7. I am getting the sweats, mild depression and some insomnia. The funny thing is I was not in withdrawal during that whole week, maybe the half life was bouncing back and forth around my receptors? anyway why can’t I stabilize on a dose? I would have actually thought I would get a high and euphoric feeling when I take my sub dose after being off sub for a week. Can anybody explain why that did not happen and rather the opposite happened where am struggling to stabilize?

My opinion is that the withdrawals are too strong and I had a lot of sub built in my receptors, so therefore it is blocking a sub dose for doing its job and stabilizing me. Can anybody agree to this? it is getting me down thinking that I would have a long way to go to recover once I stop sub if my current withdrawals are stopping the sub dose to stabilize me. I genuinely had it in my mind I would actually feel more then stabilized by getting a high, or even get sick, because being off sub for a while clears some sub does it not? so when you take a dose again you tend to feel it hit hard? since that is not happening can anybody explain why? and why are my mild withdrawals stopping my sub dose from holding me?

I do not want to take more then 0.6 because it took me effort and time to reach this dose. I can wait and give it some more time but at the moment I am curious and just want to know why am in this state and not in a state where you feel the sub hit hard if you have not taken it for a while.

Thank you.

Author: ambsjams77

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:25 pm

I am now getting CANKLES!
ankles are swelling and feet hurt along with my calves and back side of my thighs. And lower back. Is this common effect of the suboxone?!?! :-/

Author: Amy14921978

Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:45 am

Well let me first just say…welcome to the forum Kelly! You have come to the right place to gain support and answers to your questions!

A question for Jenny though….what are the rules regarding being a substance abuse counselor and suboxone? Just curious. Would you need to complete a full taper in order to get a position as a substance abuse counselor?

Author: bdonahueweedman

Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:50 am

If Suboxone got ME high I guarantee you I wouldn’t have 30+ strips in my house at this moment. People who are getting high are taking too much and that is THEIR guilt to live with.

Author: tinydancer

Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:55 am

I’m not Amber but her methadone to suboxone induction is very similar to mine. I too went through days of the dreaded PWs, and it took me weeks to get back to "normal", as well. A few weeks in, I felt the same as you, I just wasn’t right yet and I felt like my dose wasn’t lasting. My doc wanted to up me to 32mgs (from 24) but I asked if I could split dose instead. That was the key for me. You really don’t need to start your day at 24mgs. You could try 16mg and then 8mg in the later afternoon or evening. This is what worked for me, anyway.

You asked why the suboxone isn’t working for you like it did even though it’s been a year since you’ve been on it. The answer is methadone. Methadone is a full agonist, suboxone is a partial agonist. It is NEVER easy going from methadone to suboxone but rest assured you will adjust. You will never feel high on suboxone after methadone, though. You will eventually feel just normal. You either need to split dose or wait it out…

Good luck and hang in there!

p.s. One of my biggest regrets is staying at such a high dose for too long. No need to start thinking about dropping your dose now, especially when you haven’t stabilized yet, but just something to keep in mind down the road. There is not much difference, at all, from 16mg to 24mg. A split dose also makes it easier to drop down a bit.

Author: VelvetUnderground719

Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:19 pm

As a person who is finishing up a Sub taper, I wanted to get other people’s opinions about the role of work in recovery. (I re-started the taper 10 days ago, using 0.35 MG of Subutex daily, and it is going much better than my taper using the films. I have a digestive disorder and the Naloxone exacerbated it.) I personally have been unable to hold down a job at various points in my life, and at other points, I have worked for years, while my health declined. Despite this, I have mostly, until recently (i.e. the past 18-22 months), been shockingly successful professionally, even while being the target of bullying, sabotage, sexual or physical harassment, and/or abuse at nearly every job.

Other info: I have a digestive disorder, treatment pending. Also, I have severe PTSD and panic disorder, mostly from childhood/adolescent abuse unrelated to work, although it’s worsened thanks to adult abuse related to work and college. My psychiatric illnesses have not responded to treatment, and I’m finding that in this stage of recovery, even THINKING about work exacerbates my depression and anxiety. I personally suspect that my mental health issues make me a target; however, I have spent two decades throwing tens of thousands of good dollars after bad medicine. In many cases, psychiatry made me worse – and I have tried every type of therapy and every class or drugs in the book. Increasingly, I am learning that it’s very difficult to treat PTSD because it is the result of repeated exposure to very negative or damaging experiences that literally change one’s brain, and not an organic mental illness. Since late 2011, I have been keeping SSDI on the table as a back-up plan. I hate myself daily for even thinking about this, but increasingly, my health has become an impediment to working even an 8-hour day.

Work and career, I personally feel, is something that gets short shrift in recovery discussions, so I’d like to hear where YOU stand on it. Do you work, or do you not work? Did work make recovery easier or harder? If you do not work, what is your next step, and do you feel guilty or worthless right now for not working? If you do work, how did you find work and make the mental transition from "sick" to "recovery?" I NEED your input today. Thanks so much!!

Author: Brown Eyed Girl

Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:30 pm

You hang in there Anonymous. I have heard that each day clean gets better and better for you. Can’t hardly wait to find that out for myself. My friends tell me that all the time. They also say that staying as busy as possible helps so much. And any kind of exercise helps get your natural endorphins going which all equals up to you feeling better. Also listening to your favorite music helps keep your mind occupied.

Make sure you stay well hydrated to help flush out all those toxins. The gatorade will certainly help, but plain old water works wonders too!

You are doing awesome! Just take it one day at a time and don’t use again no matter what. Please keep updating your progress.

Karen