Author: rule62

Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 7:14 pm

I would love to delete this thread and all the ones that were created by one of the past trolls or trouble makers. It is not our policy to delete threads unless there is a good reason. Me hating them is not a good enough reason.

Whenever I see Dmack’s name or you know who’s name come up I cringe.

Yea, I’m in a pissy mood after seeing this. He won’t even get 2¢ out of me. Make it 1¢

‘Nuff said. That’s my rant of the day.

Author: subloverforlife

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:22 pm

This Zubsolv, it doesnt sound like its generic. It’ll be another brand name I think. Therefore I find it unlikely it’ll be a preferred brand over Activas and Amneal. I am currently on Activas tabs and I almost prefer them to Sub tabs. Most days I don’t notice a difference between the 10mgs of Sub and 12mgs Actavis bupe/nalox. My doc tacked on 1 more 2mg because I told her it seemed to be slacking a little. I’m stuck on them forever so I’m glad they at least taste better. I’ve heard bad reviews about Amneal bupe.

Author: byebyedopiates

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:03 am

Thanks Amy,

I do feel that stalling mid-taper can be just fine, or even crucial to the end goal …especially to gain stability in life, or for the comfort of the detox process. Considering I had maxed out at 2.66mg/day (1/3 of an 8mg strip) I figured that 0.25-0.33mg/per day was a great milestone, being approximately 1/10th of my peak dose.

As far as planning for my future stability, in the last year I’ve changed my social scene and personal habits/outlook a lot. I’ve recently started seeing a therapist thru a prominent college in my area. I have typically been the support system for many around me, so I am actually my primary source of support. I expect I will ultimately join a program to offer support, and to have support as well.

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Financial (or other) stress, as well as poor eating (lack of caloric intake/insufficient fresh produce), poor hydration can really masquerade as, or intensify apparent withdrawal agonies.

At times I’m unusually in tune to my body, and at other times I’m as oblivious as putty. When I have too much on my mind and get spread too thin I become a bit stupid.

A COMMON SYMPTOM OF DEHYDRATION IS RESTLESSNESS:
I tend toward chronic dehydration, and began to realize its effect on my supposed opiate-related "RLS" (restless leg syndrome). It took some time to act on my hunch, but then my research on dehydration symptoms coupled with moderately chugging water worked absolute wonders. Hydration is no cure-all, but I can only imagine how much comfort and rest have been lost, and how many benzos have been eaten trying to alleviate RLS, when simple water may have done the trick……

example:
The other night, I couldn’t get to sleep, then I couldn’t stay asleep, at one point I awoke and stayed in an exhausted fidgety state, too tired to get water……..until finally I got up, got a 20oz bottle of water, and was sleeping soundly before I finished it. Maybe less than 10 minutes.

I do have a prescription for Xanax which I’ve always taken VERY sparingly. Xanax usually works too well or too little. It either doesn’t put me down, even after 2-3 doses, or some days a single dose takes me out for a whole day, still dragging the next day.

I have started depending much more on water to attain physical and mental comfort.
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It’s funny how intimidating the Suboxone dosage reductions can seem before you actually reduce.

Cutting up the portions in advance can help a lot. At the moment that it’s time to dose is not the best time to do precision cuts, so I just kept eating the easy, non-reduced cut in order to carry on. One day I simply diced up a week’s worth of smaller doses and proceeded to consume smaller doses without much issue.

example:
When dividing, naturally some parts will simply be a tad bigger than the rest. Some will be the smaller portions.
I start consuming the larger portions, which compliments the taper idea as I end with smaller portions.

To attain a 0.25mg dose…………….I cut an 8mg strip into 4 parts, 2mg+/- each.
I cut the 2mg’s in half = 2x 1mg parts.
I cut the 1mg’s in half = 2x 0.5mg parts.
I cut the 0.5mg’s in half = 2x 0.25mg parts. (this is not rocket science. The actual sizes will vary a lot)
My dose hovered at 0.25mg for awhile. I finally started cutting a 1/4th notch out of each unit, leaving 0.1875mg (according to the calculator, not the absolute true amount of meds)

The next step was to estimate the cut splitting 0.25mg into 0.15mg and 0.10mg. (3 parts to 2 parts)
I’m dosing at 0.15mg/day now.
****again, not rocket science. Depending on how much the actual cut parts vary in size, you may dose a little more or less often….. tiny piece: dose 20 hours later; larger piece: dose 26 hours later
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At low doses I’ve been dosing once per day now, steadily for a month or more. For the year I was on Subs before tapering, I dosed twice daily to avoid surges and gaps.

Now, after a reduction, I may re-dose 18-22 hours later at first. Within a few days I’m hitting 26 hours without discomfort.
For me, adjusting the hours between doses helps to ease the transitions. If the reduced amount isn’t perfect, then the hours between doses will bridge the gap.
Trust your body, and cut yourself a small amount of slack.
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I’m going to visit family in 3 weeks and plan to be off the daily doses by then. I will bring some tiny pre-cut pieces with me to ensure that I’m okay for an overdue connection with some very loved people.

………….There’s my update.
I hope the information about my experiences and personal quirks can help one or more people get to a better place.

Author: qhorsegal2

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:17 am

No worries Evey, I’m not offended. I just don’t understand your reasoning, that’s ok though. You will find support here, whatever you choose to call your problems.

Q

Author: Brown Eyed Girl

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:26 pm

Hey there Anabel,

You are so stinkin sweet that’s for sure! I’m so happy you blew off the half-day today. We need to do that once in a while. Wow, you got LOTS of sleep didn’t you and I’m sure you needed it too. Sure hope you feel refreshed now.

LOL. Kitty capture night….HAHAHAHAHA. That had me laughing so hard!

I can just see you now running around trying to chase the cat down with a pillow case! And him running away for his dear life!!!! HAHAHAHA…your so funny girl!!! Sure hope you get your man tonight!!!! HAHAHAHA!!! Too funny! Feels good to laugh so thank you for that one!!!

Maybe put a bowl of pure whiskey out and perhaps he would get good and drunk and fall over?? Then you wouldn’t have to be chasing him all over the place with that pillow case??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Omg….I almost wet my pants laughing!!!

I actually took about an hour today and layed back down. I NEVER do that as I work from home as you know and feel I should be in my office at all times. But I really was feeling a bit down and tried to get rid of my nasty headache. I’m having some hot/cold type sweats, and some tummy issues. Didn’t get much sleep last night either and I have been sleeping great lately too. The RLS kept me awake most of the night.

I hate complaining because I don’t like negative stuff. I like to remain as positive as possible and happy all the time. But I want to be honest here and not give anyone the false impression I’m sliding through this taper with no problems. I’m sure these symptoms will pass tomorrow or soon enough. They sure won’t stop me in my mission to get off this sub that’s for sure!

Hope you have a nice evening at work. Give me a shout when you get the time. I always look forward to hearing from you too. Your doing awesome on your own taper! I believe your down to .75mg if I have it correct? Not much longer for you now. Yes, it would be great if we could finsih together, but your a ways ahead of me right now. We’ll see what happens.

Got to run. Take care sweetie and I’ll catch ya later. HAHA…I’m still laughing!!!

Karen
xoxo

Author: Brown Eyed Girl

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:34 pm

Hey Anonymous,

Haven’t heard from ya in a few days and checking to make sure you were doing ok. Maybe you could let us know how your doing when you get a few minutes? Hope everything is running along smoothly for you. Take care and catch ya later.

Karen
xoxo

Author: tinydancer

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:48 pm

I’m so sorry. I don’t have any words of wisdom, because I know the position you’re in will take so much more than any words I could muster.. but you aren’t alone. There is hope, it just may take time to realize it. Sending you a huge virtual hug.

Is there anything good in your life at the moment? Do you have a supportive partner or spouse? Friends that you trust and can talk to? A job that satisfies you in any way? When I was the most scared and trapped feeling, I found that focusing on anything positive in my life, helped tremendously. Try not to look at everything all at once. Pick on one thing to tackle, fix, tweak, and make small steps. If you’re battling depression at the same time as wanting to get off suboxone, that is really hard. You’re not a pussy. There isn’t anyone who could do it better or who wouldn’t be scared.. it’s a battle for everyone. Have you thought about trying to switch aniti-depressant meds first? Maybe Paxil isn’t right for you and another could work better? Treating the depression may be the wisest first step, but I also know part of the depression can be the feeling of being stuck on subs. Regardless, you’re best possible chance of getting through any of this, is to be on stable ground before jumping off something like suboxone. You have to be the strongest version of you.

I was on it for 6 years and know the hopeless feeling.. just hang in there and TRY not to read crazy horror stories online, they will only make you feel worse.

Use this forum to open up and talk about what’s going on, no one will judge. We’ve seen, heard, and lived through it all.

hugs

Author: tinydancer

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:28 pm

Have you been trying to get pregnant? Just "not preventing"? This kind of stress can’t be good, nor is tapering. I’d listen to whatever your doctors tell you to do.

I’m going to give the unpopular opinion that one should not get pregnant if they’re too scared to have a baby in their current situation. Mistakes happen but twice in a few months? I hope you can de-stress and take care of yourself in the next several months. Also know that miscarriages happen everyday all day long, to women not on suboxone or tapering, so you have no idea what caused it. It happens all the time. The stress is something you’ll have to get under control to support a healthy baby. Wishing you the best.

Author: Fiveseven15

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:33 pm

haha yeah…THAT pic kinda creeps me out too for some reason. and then it reminds me of ‘safety dance’ for some reason…

Link

this is why i LOVE this forum so much. its ALL positivity here. i went through what i can honestly say was the worst experience of my life (worse than endocarditis+30 day hosp stay and heart surgery) and its all positive vibes. THAT helps a f***ton..and humor…lots and lots of humor..

btw…after the kava…my BODY no longer feels very anxious (hands and feet barely sweating and no sunburn feel) mind is still kinda all over the place, but its surprisingly more effective than the ativan or klonopin. i can honestly feel something alot more than placebo. doesnt completely REMOVE the anxiety but DEFINITELY takes the edge off. i got it at walgreens, kinda expensive at $24 after tax, but heck, its better than benzos (i think) if i keep it moderated. im not going to buy more though…once this bottle is gone thats it

Author: MovieMaker1

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 6:05 pm

It’s people like you that twist and turn to make suboxone seem like the demon that it isn’t.

I see too many get off BEFORE THEY ARE READY due to guys like you.

I’m not saying stay on forever and ever.

I am not justifying drug use at all. This is where your own mindset has ruined suboxone for you. It’s a medicine that I take. Not a drug that I do.

But. Keep trolling. Keep picking apart things to cause a ruckus.

Whatever makes you feel better.

PS.
Good thing I’m an emotionless zombie or else that really would’ve got me down.