Author: Kitty36

Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 8:25 am

I think it depends how long you’re able to hold out. If you can stick out the 24 hours and are in pretty decent withdrawal, 4mg should ok. Oxy and H are both short acting opiates and I took 8mg after 22 and a half hours. But I was also positive that I was almost in severe withdrawal. If you don’t wait long enough and only think your withdrawal is bad, taking too much sub can cause precipitated withdrawal. And once that happens, I don’t think you can do anything other than wait it out. If you start off small, you can always take more. There’s really a lot of factors that play into it, and you’ll be the only one who will know how you’re feeling, how long you’ve waited etc. That’s just my opinion. Either way, be careful, good luck, and I’ll try to help you in whatever small way I can. Maybe someone else will have better advice. I can only compare you to my personal experience and I don’t know if that’s helpful or not.

Author: Kitty36

Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 8:54 am

To be completely and totally honest, I never felt the opiate high, not even my first day. My withdrawal symptoms went away. That’s it. Since then all I’ve felt is tired. Extremely tired. All of the time. And pain relief. I have a bad back and will always have to take some form of pain medication in order to be able to work. My tolerance to oxy just kept growing and it started to take over my life. Even though I needed the meds legitimately I also knew I was addicted. Things happened and it came to a point of either trying suboxone or being on nothing, and most likely having to quit my job. I have never felt great from this medicine and I doubt I ever will. I’ve cut back on my amount, and I’m no longer pass out tired. But I am still tired and pretty depressed even. Not even close to how I felt on other opiates. And I don’t spend hundreds a month. I pay a $35 copay for my doctor and my $35 copay for the med has been free, using the coupon. I’m actually glad that sub doesn’t give me any kind of high. I know I’ll never abuse it, the way I did with other opiates. I would LOVE to stop taking it, but unless I hit the lottery and can quit my job, or they come out with a way to permanately fix my back, I’m stuck. It’s worth feeling crappy rather than being in pain all the time. So to clarify, I take the sub for pain and addiction. And no I don’t feel any kind of high or buzz or normal even. I can’t even remember what that feels like.

Author: MovieMaker1

Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 9:33 am

The oxy isn’t even doing a thing on top of suboxone. Nothing. Nada. It’s not on any receptors. So. I’d just stop taking it and keep taking sub at 4mg a day.

Bet you’ll feel exactly the same.

If you want free of narcotics, stopping oxycontin that doesn’t even do anything is a good start.

Because others are right… Just saying it’s for the one pill is crazy.

No need to taper off the oxy because it’s already inactive.

Just the woes of being an addict. I get it.

Author: rule62

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 12:32 pm

Thank You so much doctor for doing what you’re doing. I took the liberty of copying a paragraph from our front Index page to address the contribution matter. It is:

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Author: rule62

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 12:44 pm

There is another way that isn’t discussed too often here as a way to taper. Ask your doctor for the Butrans patch. It comes in microgram doses. 5, 10, and 20 mcg’s. I did the math and the 20 mcg one dispenses around 2 mg’s of Bupe every day for 7 days. So using my math, the 10 mcg is equal to 1 mg delivered continuously even for 7 days. You could start with that one or if you can taper to .50 of your Sub, ask for the 5 mcg patch and just leave it on for maybe 2-3 weeks. This is just a guess on my part but it sounds like it makes sense to me.

Talk to your doctor and see what they have to say. I am surely no medical expert but I do know one person who did this and had minimal w/d’s at the end.

You were so close to the finish line. Keep trying, you’ll get there eventually.

Author: TeeJay

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 7:31 pm

Cheers for the input guys…

There is another option I didn’t mention. I might be able to do a 30 day rehab, one that permits residents to stay on Suboxone through the length of the program. This’ll give me a chance to stabilise properly on Sub in a structured / controlled environment. A short term rehab like that will also let me return to uni next semester. It’s just a question of whether the place will have me. I hope they haven’t put this basket-case in the too-hard basket.

We’ll see how we go. For now, just pushing on. I’ll go to the long-term rehab info session tomorrow and see how long the waiting list is.

Author: Romeo

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 7:40 pm

Hey eric,

I just now saw your posts and wanted to say a quick HI to ya!!

Have you considered neurontin for your nerve pain. If I’m not mistaken, neurontin works fairly well for nerve pain.

Author: lack of armour

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 10:27 pm

This is reassuring. Reading these experiences with anxiety/depression. None of this is simple. I think i was drawn to opiates originally because i had a hard time dealing with large groups of people. Heroin was like a nice warm blanket. I didn’t need anyone, never got lonely. Was really creative for a long time using. But then the reality of it all becomes so hollow. Suboxone allowed me to break that routine, and for that i am grateful. I didn’t notice the nasty side effects until about a year into my suboxone treatment (or pretended they weren’t there). I have always been a little sad, but it was a sadness that i recognized, accepted, and was familiar to me. Before suboxone, i had a social life. Was engaged with the world. Inspired by things. Never short on creative ideas. The suboxone killed all that. I was leveled by a depression that was completely foreign and frightening. And it was unrelenting. Constant. This was saddled with severe anxiety, memory loss and a general fog in my brain. I could no longer see the world in three-dimensional color. Everything was monochrome.
It was this combination of side effects that finally pushed me to wean myself off after 2 years of use, and i have been suboxone free for 4 days now. This rickety boat has a lot of sailing to do before my brain starts to repair itself. Reading all of your positive experiences with time as a healer is giving me hope though. So thank you for that.

Author: Amy-Work In Progress

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 10:38 pm

Kitty has been giving you some good advice! Delete that number!!!!

Amy

Author: Amy-Work In Progress

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 10:47 pm

The journey seems somewhat different for everyone, but there are some universals. Withdrawal symptoms seem to peak somewhere between 3 and 7 days. The first two weeks are usually the hardest. Sleep patterns take several weeks to normalize. Some people experience PAWS, but some don’t. The severity and length of PAWS varies.

I hope that you are one of the lucky folks who just doesn’t experience bad withdrawals! You’ve already done a lot of the work by tapering down. Good luck! And keep us informed.

Amy