Author: Vangie

Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 6:54 am

I just double checked the stories and it is the same guy. Just a heads up. On a different note problems with urinating can be a side effect of suboxone. I experience hesitation.

Author: Xonedone

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 11:22 am

Thanks, Amy. Happily, my doc is a friend. He has been aware I was on suboxone since I started it. Get this – the RB reps came to his office and tried to talk this very popular and busy OB/GYN into becoming a Suboxone doctor "for extra income". He said thanks but no thanks. So much for RB focussing on addictionologists…
<rant> My husband and I had a talk with my doc about 6 weeks ago, and gave him the information DR Junig and others published here. He is on board to prescribe large doses for the 2 weeks I choose to use narcotics – if I need them that long. Best of all, 30 minutes after we met with my doc, the anesthesiology chief from the hospital he chose called me to discuss "how we usually do pain meds for suboxone patients". That gave me huge relief. They are going to put in spinal morphine before the surgery starts, use general anesthesia for the surgery, and then use a PCA (the push button pain pump) if that isn’t sufficient. She assured me, "We have staff in house 24 hours a day. If we have to come and put an epidural in at 0200 we will do it. We will manage your pain well". My doc chose this particular hospital over one of the larger ones in my city because they treat addicts better than at the larger hospital.
As I get closer to May 29th, I’m going to post a request for prayers. I am a firm believer – it’s what’s keeping me in One Day at a Time right now.

Author: Amy-Work In Progress

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 8:31 pm

Hi! Welcome to the forum! I hope we can help you with your question. First, what dose of sub were you on per day before you stopped prior to surgery? Secondly, have you noticed whether the norco alone is helping with your pain? It sounds like you’re being prescribed 7.5 mg of hydrocodone per pill. Are you supposed to be taking 1 or 2 at a time? It’s important to know whether or not you will be getting any pain relief from the norco alone or combined with anti-inflammatory meds (motrin, ibuprofen, aleve, etc.)

The reason I’m asking is that it won’t make sense to talk about cutting out the sub right away if you’re needing it for pain relief. If you can already get by without the sub, and you’re set on going off completely, then you shouldn’t take any more sub. Suboxone has a long half life and it takes probably 4 to 10 days (that’s a guesstimate) for most of it to leave your body.

Does your sub doc or your surgeon know about your plan to go off of sub? Your sub doc could prescribe comfort meds if he knows that you plan on going off. Clonidine is a helpful medication to manage withdrawal symptoms. And maybe some xanax for anxiety? Is your surgeon knowledgeable about sub to the extent that he understands that you might need extra medication for your tolerance level. Is he/she willing to prescribe you a refill on the norco to help the sub withdrawal go easier?

We don’t usually recommend using short acting opiates to quite suboxone, but this scenario does come up from time to time and a surgery recovery can be a decent time to get off sub if you’re going to try it anyway. I hear that you’re pretty confident that norco wouldn’t be a temptation anymore, but I want to caution you to be very careful. Do you have a trusted family member who could hold onto your norco and help you taper down?

So I guess my main suggestions are to get at least one of your doctors on board and have a trusted person to help you keep the taper under control. Good luck!

Amy

Author: qhorsegal2

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 8:51 pm

Butrans patch…NOT Buprex!!!! LOL….Thanks for catching my mistake BD!

Author: amber4.14.11

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 9:28 pm

I’m not sure I have any "magic advice" for you….

I know for ME,,, getting ON suboxone to begin with was REALLY HARD, and I was on a waiting list for almost a month.

but you know, it made me really take it SERIOUSLY when I finally got that first appointment, so I guess everything happens for a reason….. and I wouldn’t have changed one thing NOW… two years later,,,, my life is NOTHING like what it was, and that’s EXACTLY what I needed/wanted and didn’t know how to get there….

I have no insurance, and actually got on the manufacturer’s program, they pay for up to 90 films/month for twelve months. each dr. can have UP to three patients on the program, at a time.

here’s some videos On HOW suboxone works, and why MOST people are actually on LESS of a dose, after time… for me, I started on 24mg, two years ago, and now I’m on 8…. and I have chronic pain issues, too.

Good Luck with everything

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Author: amber4.14.11

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 9:33 pm

I just want to share this thread with you,,,,,,

it’s one I made after having ALL MY TEETH pulled,,, and another member here added in his story, as well…

I was scared to death to take any opiates, because my teeth were bad because my drug use/abuse was soooo bad.

does that make sense???

basically,,, I did well with motrin/Tylenol and my suboxone…..

I wasn’t put to sleep or anything, and all my molars were broken AT or below the gumline….

they pulled all the bottom teeth but four,,, then three months later……ALL My top ones,, all my molars…..
(so I have four left on bottom, in the center, and a full denture, on top)

and now I have dentures…

hope this helps, and good luck.

Surgery & Suboxone———"for anyone needing dentures"
http://suboxforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6865&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Author: robx46

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 11:00 pm

Yeah definitely take it slow. at 2mg you are getting there though. My symptoms are improving but like tinydancer said, some symptoms might stick around for 2-3 months. My body has always been pretty quick kicking drugs out of my system, which leads to nasty acute wd’s but I also would get better quicker than normal.

I’m still a bit miffed at the back pain, or the severity of it despite taking lots of ibuprofen. It is getting better, in my waking hours at least. But I’m also doing a lot of therapy, stretching, almost some yoga type stuff. & I’m still trying to do much of my normal workouts that I was doing before going off sub. Hope it keeps paying off. Time will take care of some things but I have to also help myself where I can just by doing stuff even if I don’t feel like it.

I do have to prepare myself for the fact that I probably will have some pain my whole life to some extent, but I can tolerate some pain, always have. I put my body through a lot of trauma when I was younger, shattered multiple car windshields with my head in high speed head on collisions. It is almost bizarre that I survived them, let alone not even a broken bone. Thank my parents for some tough DNA I guess. But there was no getting around some back trauma, I should be glad that is all I’ve had to deal with & no real structural damage. Just some jacked up muscle & tissue I guess, but thankfully I’m still 100% able bodied.

No I really haven’t taken much to help me out. Just advil. I do have a blood pressure medication here that I can take, & I think I did take it like a week ago before bed but I still slept like crap (I think there is just no easy shortcut to dealing with the sleep issue for now). Not clonidine though. I remember taking that stuff a lot back in the day during all my rehab & detox stints. It would knock my on my ass. I stand up, I see purple, I sit down! I guess it did help though, that was better than my heart beating out of my chest. That really isn’t an issue now though.

Its really just a restlessness. I can fall asleep easily, but then 4 or 5 hours later for some reason my body thinks its time to wake up, but my brain disagrees. I can certainly handle that annoyance though. I have to remind myself I’ve been through much worse. Oh, & the good news in all this that I’ve failed to mention is that I really have had no cravings at all. I think nearly a decade of not getting high has pretty well taught my brain how to better deal with that stuff. & time, time just helps as the years pass. Not saying I’ll never have cravings again, but I’m just better at knowing how my own brain works. If I ever fall off the wagon, I know exactly what I’m doing & what I’m in for. Plus, its just time to try life without chemicals. I was like 13 the last time I lived that way in the real world for any extended period of time. & quite liked life back then, so maybe it all works out in the end.

Author: amber4.14.11

Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 1:19 am

I agree with a whole lot of what MovieMaker, is saying….

about needing to put in the ‘work’ besides just taking meds,
the fact that MOST opiate addicts, do in fact, relapse,,, yes, very sad,but true.

I thought this might be a good place for this……

"willpower doesn’t work"

Link

Author: Vangie

Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 3:38 am

I am glad youu got through your first appt anxiety. I felt the same way you did. I stayed up all night researching suboxone on the web. I was so nervous. The actual appt was nothing like the terrible scene pictured in my mind the night before. Lol. Congrats keep posting.

Author: Vangie

Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 3:51 am

To a certain few…my thread title ironically has a hidden meaning. I apologize and I am here for constructive purposes only. Good to know this forum is efficient and does not tolorate any funny business. Keep up the good work. I post in peace.