Author: peteg54

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:57 pm

Thanks for posting TD!! I greatly appreciate it…getting sick on the subs is something that started a while ago, again, trying to get off dope. The first time that I took it was in rehab and I was fine…in fact, I slept, didn’t crap myself for days and was truly amazed at how good I felt. I figured that, with the number of meds they were giving me, there was something in the mix that helped me from getting sick. Anyway, I walked out of that rehab after medical detox and felt great – 5 days and I was off dope, subs and felt great. Of course that didn’t last and I relapsed – that was July, 2 years ago. I induced using the 8 mg. strips after about 20 hours most recently. I let the strip desolve and keep the saliva/sub mix in my mouth for as long as possible, usually about 10 minutes, then I spit it out. I don’t drink anything or wash my mouth out for a half an hour & I have found that I do not get sick that way…but, I don’t feel any better for the first couple of days. I have been taking the 8’s twice a day. From what I am reading on this post, maybe I should try cutting the strips down to a couple of mg’s, waiting an hour and taking another 2 mg’s, etc. I do feel better after a couple of days and I know that the subs work, it’s just that first couple of days with no sleep and all of the withdrawal symptoms that is so hard to take and often, I have gone back to shooting dope…but I need to bear down and do this once and for all…the sub doctor is not cheap and neither are the strips, right!! I have read so many stories of people that take the subs and have immediate relief…I’m an addict, so I am looking for instant relief and if there is something that I can do differently with induction, I’m up for it…!!! Thanks again for posting…

Author: NYG

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:19 pm

Day 7. Today didn’t start off bad, actually got seven hours sleep, physical symptoms are subsiding I think. Mental part…not so good anymore. I’m up them I’m REALLY DOWN. It’s like I have this feeling that I’m never going to be happy again even though I know it’s the wd f*ckin with me. I’m not even close to being bed ridden or anything, I just have constant negative thoughts about my life cycling through my head consistently. I know I have a substance abuse problem and I’m afraid I’m going to cave. I just want to stop the emotional roller coaster.

I didn’t drink Saturday, but I was a walking panic attack. I didn’t even want to go to the grocery store, but i did. Major agoraphobia. This morning I felt less anxious and forced myself to go to the movies (The Incredible Burt Wonderstone, a little disappointed considering the cast) and then went straight to the bar to meet friends (also to numb the anxiety.) I got home and started to pack for my next sh*tty trip and LOST IT. Realizing that there is no one to come home to, god knows when there will be, and if there is, they’ll probably leave me because I’m not around for them and all kinds of bullsh*t along those lines. "Why be miserable sober when you can be high?" is the question going through my head like a broken record. I hate being on the road, I hate being home, and when I go out, it’s with my only friends that drink and use on the weekends. I HOPE that it’s just PAWS and I hope it ends soon!

I’m going to take Jen’s advice and take a hot ass shower for at least thirty minutes.

Author: NYG

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:19 pm

Day 7. Today didn’t start off bad, actually got seven hours sleep, physical symptoms are subsiding I think. Mental part…not so good anymore. I’m up them I’m REALLY DOWN. It’s like I have this feeling that I’m never going to be happy again even though I know it’s the wd f*ckin with me. I’m not even close to being bed ridden or anything, I just have constant negative thoughts about my life cycling through my head consistently. I know I have a substance abuse problem and I’m afraid I’m going to cave. I just want to stop the emotional roller coaster.

I didn’t drink Saturday, but I was a walking panic attack. I didn’t even want to go to the grocery store, but i did. Major agoraphobia. This morning I felt less anxious and forced myself to go to the movies (The Incredible Burt Wonderstone, a little disappointed considering the cast) and then went straight to the bar to meet friends (also to numb the anxiety.) I got home and started to pack for my next sh*tty trip and LOST IT. Realizing that there is no one to come home to, god knows when there will be, and if there is, they’ll probably leave me because I’m not around for them and all kinds of bullsh*t along those lines. "Why be miserable sober when you can be high?" is the question going through my head like a broken record. I hate being on the road, I hate being home, and when I go out, it’s with my only friends that drink and use on the weekends. I HOPE that it’s just PAWS and I hope it ends soon!

I’m going to take Jen’s advice and take a hot ass shower for at least thirty minutes.

Author: rule62

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:51 pm

Hi towergod,

Welcome to the forum! We hope you can get a lot of support here and stick around long enough to get to read a lot of the older messages. That way you get a good feel about what and who we are.

I’m not sure what you are asking about being out of Sub. Posting your personal information online is not a good idea though. You posted your name, city, state, and phone number. We try to keep anonymous here but you can do what you like. Have you tried the link up top of the page where it lists Suboxone doctors in every state? That is a good place to start. Most of us used it to find our own Sub doctors. I only hope your intention was not to ask someone here to send you some. It’s been done before but it is illegal and we could get shut down. So I’m going to assume you were just asking for help finding a doctor.

If you’d like me to edit out your personal stuff or even delete the message, let me know via the PM function way.

Welcome once again!

Rule

Author: rule62

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:51 pm

Hi towergod,

Welcome to the forum! We hope you can get a lot of support here and stick around long enough to get to read a lot of the older messages. That way you get a good feel about what and who we are.

I’m not sure what you are asking about being out of Sub. Posting your personal information online is not a good idea though. You posted your name, city, state, and phone number. We try to keep anonymous here but you can do what you like. Have you tried the link up top of the page where it lists Suboxone doctors in every state? That is a good place to start. Most of us used it to find our own Sub doctors. I only hope your intention was not to ask someone here to send you some. It’s been done before but it is illegal and we could get shut down. So I’m going to assume you were just asking for help finding a doctor.

If you’d like me to edit out your personal stuff or even delete the message, let me know via the PM function way.

Welcome once again!

Rule

Author: rule62

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:24 pm

Sorry for posting in here but I just wanted to tell you that the post above from kelis3 was completely uncalled for. We do not tolerate the berating of other members. It is obvious that person knows Hatmaker and has some kind of vendetta against her.

For now, we mods are discussing what to do. The posters account has been deactivated until we make a decision. I was just going to delete the post but too many people replied back so it would look confusing to others.

Now, get back to whether Sub gets you high or not. If you want to comment on the action, please use the PM function so this thread doesn’t get hijacked.

I will now run out the back door…..

Author: rule62

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:24 pm

Sorry for posting in here but I just wanted to tell you that the post above from kelis3 was completely uncalled for. We do not tolerate the berating of other members. It is obvious that person knows Hatmaker and has some kind of vendetta against her.

For now, we mods are discussing what to do. The posters account has been deactivated until we make a decision. I was just going to delete the post but too many people replied back so it would look confusing to others.

Now, get back to whether Sub gets you high or not. If you want to comment on the action, please use the PM function so this thread doesn’t get hijacked.

I will now run out the back door…..

Contingency management (CM) is an empirically supported intervention for substance dependence, but it has not been evaluated systematically in non maintained opioid-dependent patients. This retrospective analysis examined whether CM was effective in opioid-dependent patients initiating intensive outpatient psychosocial treatment. In the primary trial (Petry, N. M., Weinstock, J., & Alessi, S. M. [2011]. A randomized trial of contingency management delivered in the context of group counseling. Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology, 79, 686–696), substance-abusing patients (n = 239) at two community-based clinics were randomized to standard care (SC) or SC with CM for 12 weeks; in the CM condition, patients earned opportunities to win prizes for attending treatment and submitting d…

Author: Icaras

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:31 am

I am still not sure if tapering really makes any big difference, all I see is stories of all sub users feeling the same in duration of withdrawals and intensity albeit taper or no taper..I think the sub is so strong at low doses and acts like a short acting opiate, that it makes it impossible to taper and not feel withdrawals, if anything worse withdrawals.. Am on 0.7 and I still feel in a fog and sweat everytime I wake up, then 3-4 hours before bed, who wants to go through that to 0? just don’t get at this point if tapering will eliminate so much of the duration and intensity of withdrawals, and then there is PAWS to contend with aaah…Am thinking of either rapid detox or Iboga, if there is a tool out there that can shorten withdrawal and depression-PAWS time then make most of it.

Author: tinydancer

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:56 am

Jen,

I’m so happy to read your latest posts, really, it warms my heart! Enjoying your husband and Kids again?! Woo-hoo!!