7-8 weeks, on subutex 4 a yr, should I wean myself off? HELP

Author: Mommy2bx2

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:13 pm

Hello all!!!
I feel so blessed to have so many people following my situation it’s helping me tremendously!
I started back on the subutex I’m taking 4mgs a day.. Spread out thruought the day, and they put me back on .25 as needed (once a night) colonipin, which has helped me eat, helped me sleep, I can take a shower every day I haven’t thrown up in a week, haven’t went one sleepless night in over a week, and have gained five pounds in two weeks of the 20 I lost the first trimester. I’m now 14.3 weeks, and got an ultrasound did the neurotranslucency test everything’s fine got blood work done for any genetic disorders and the baby’s completely fine.
Now here’s where I get knocked back down….(which has been happening alot)
My ob did a drug screen when I was 5 weeks, I had a trace of marijuana in my system so she alerted child protective services.
I smoked one bowl one time two weeks before I found out I was pregnant because I was in and out of the hospital they said I wasn’t pregnant all the nausea medication in the world couldn’t keep any of my heart meds down no food nothing so I smoked (and got it from a owner of a dispensary) because I was willing to try anything to get food in my stomache and was in the process of getting my medical. Card… So long story short I smoked called my counselor at my intensive outpatient and we did a 24 hour relapse prevention sheet and session and everything was fine never touched anything again.
So now my ob has said that a case worker will be there as soon as I give birth
Now I’m worried because if the baby is born in withdrawls will the case worker take him because I’m on the sub and Colonopin? I’m going to taper off the Colonopin slowly after a month and be off a month or two before birth but sub I’d rather stay on and me and the baby be safe. But now I’m so scared.
The specialist I saw was amazing she has experience deliveringg baby’s addicted to substances and she was no judgmental and my ob had me in tears because I’m on subutext and anxiety meds. I called the specialist and they do accept patients but it has to he referred by my ob I go to now Sad and I don’t know how to ask my ob to refer me I can’t say I don’t like u she will just tell me to find another regular on not the one I want to go to.. I just don’t want someone so judgmental ruining such a special day Sad
So I guess I need to know how to ask her to refer me to the specialist that explained everything and made me feel very comfortable!!

Generic Suboxone tablets now available by Actavis and Amneal

Author: Fireman

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:14 pm

suburbangirl wrote:
Very interested in finding out the release date for these generics. I just paid over $340 at the pharmacy for #48 (4mg film, Suboxone). Glad the FDA didn’t fall for RBs scheme to pull the tabs completely off the market. If anyone hears any thing about this, please post. Thanks.

So you got the 4mg film? I guess RB did release their new strengths of the 4mg/1mg and also the 12mg/3mg. I was wondering what the status was on these.

Generic Suboxone tablets now available by Actavis and Amneal

Author: Fireman

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:14 pm

suburbangirl wrote:
Very interested in finding out the release date for these generics. I just paid over $340 at the pharmacy for #48 (4mg film, Suboxone). Glad the FDA didn’t fall for RBs scheme to pull the tabs completely off the market. If anyone hears any thing about this, please post. Thanks.

So you got the 4mg film? I guess RB did release their new strengths of the 4mg/1mg and also the 12mg/3mg. I was wondering what the status was on these.

"A, B, A. B" method?

Author: glen bee

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:53 pm

Icaras wrote:
I am still not sure if tapering really makes any big difference, all I see is stories of all sub users feeling the same in duration of withdrawals and intensity albeit taper or no taper..

There are a bunch of people who tapered slow and not suffered too much and didn’t have too bad PAWS if you look around.

Icaras wrote:
I think the sub is so strong at low doses and acts like a short acting opiate, that it makes it impossible to taper and not feel withdrawals, if anything worse withdrawals.. Am on 0.7 and I still feel in a fog and sweat everytime I wake up, then 3-4 hours before bed, who wants to go through that to 0?

Low doses need to be split up throughout the day. i.e. : split .75mg into 3 doses of .25mg every 8 hours approx. instead of a single dose and if you are feeling THAT bad, you are going too fast! Feeling bad means your brain is adapting to less sub but the key is to keep it at a level you can tolerate which in my experience gets easier with practice. Your receptors will sort it out but it takes weeks, not days. Rushing to get off sub is going to hurt!

Karen2013 wrote:
Would really appreciate anyone using this method to explain it further and provide the COMPLETE schedule? I am not sure if this ends after 6 days..a week, month>? ?

I wrote down my schedule from 8mg to 1mg and then stopped ….but think more along the lines of 2 weeks or even a month rather than 6 days. My average I guess would be something like 3 weeks. The every other day method for me is a cool way to ease in between dose changes. I would do something like 1mg/.75mg/1mg/.75mg for a week or two and see how you are feeling. I identify where you’re at but give it a try, a schedule isn’t going to change anything, it’s about how YOU FEEL Smile

-gb

"A, B, A. B" method?

Author: glen bee

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:53 pm

Icaras wrote:
I am still not sure if tapering really makes any big difference, all I see is stories of all sub users feeling the same in duration of withdrawals and intensity albeit taper or no taper..

There are a bunch of people who tapered slow and not suffered too much and didn’t have too bad PAWS if you look around.

Icaras wrote:
I think the sub is so strong at low doses and acts like a short acting opiate, that it makes it impossible to taper and not feel withdrawals, if anything worse withdrawals.. Am on 0.7 and I still feel in a fog and sweat everytime I wake up, then 3-4 hours before bed, who wants to go through that to 0?

Low doses need to be split up throughout the day. i.e. : split .75mg into 3 doses of .25mg every 8 hours approx. instead of a single dose and if you are feeling THAT bad, you are going too fast! Feeling bad means your brain is adapting to less sub but the key is to keep it at a level you can tolerate which in my experience gets easier with practice. Your receptors will sort it out but it takes weeks, not days. Rushing to get off sub is going to hurt!

Karen2013 wrote:
Would really appreciate anyone using this method to explain it further and provide the COMPLETE schedule? I am not sure if this ends after 6 days..a week, month>? ?

I wrote down my schedule from 8mg to 1mg and then stopped ….but think more along the lines of 2 weeks or even a month rather than 6 days. My average I guess would be something like 3 weeks. The every other day method for me is a cool way to ease in between dose changes. I would do something like 1mg/.75mg/1mg/.75mg for a week or two and see how you are feeling. I identify where you’re at but give it a try, a schedule isn’t going to change anything, it’s about how YOU FEEL Smile

-gb

My story in a nutshell

Author: tinydancer

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:29 pm

Hi Scofflaw,

There really is nothing like the support of your partner, huh? That person who knows you best and has your back no matter what? Yeah.. that’s good stuff right there. I’m glad you found this place and can work out how you’re feeling with others who can most definitely relate. It has been so beneficial for me and for others as well.

You know what, fuck pot. LOL!! Eh, you’re not missing out. My husband uses a little here and there and I haven’t touched the stuff in over 10 years, I think!

The fog thing, it’s so different for everyone and some (maybe most?) don’t seem to have any issues and if they do, it’s worth it for the end result. End result being healthy and alive.

Looking forward to your updates!

My story in a nutshell

Author: tinydancer

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:29 pm

Hi Scofflaw,

There really is nothing like the support of your partner, huh? That person who knows you best and has your back no matter what? Yeah.. that’s good stuff right there. I’m glad you found this place and can work out how you’re feeling with others who can most definitely relate. It has been so beneficial for me and for others as well.

You know what, fuck pot. LOL!! Eh, you’re not missing out. My husband uses a little here and there and I haven’t touched the stuff in over 10 years, I think!

The fog thing, it’s so different for everyone and some (maybe most?) don’t seem to have any issues and if they do, it’s worth it for the end result. End result being healthy and alive.

Looking forward to your updates!

Getting off "H" & Sub doesn’t help-am I doing something wron

Author: peteg54

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:57 pm

Thanks for posting TD!! I greatly appreciate it…getting sick on the subs is something that started a while ago, again, trying to get off dope. The first time that I took it was in rehab and I was fine…in fact, I slept, didn’t crap myself for days and was truly amazed at how good I felt. I figured that, with the number of meds they were giving me, there was something in the mix that helped me from getting sick. Anyway, I walked out of that rehab after medical detox and felt great – 5 days and I was off dope, subs and felt great. Of course that didn’t last and I relapsed – that was July, 2 years ago. I induced using the 8 mg. strips after about 20 hours most recently. I let the strip desolve and keep the saliva/sub mix in my mouth for as long as possible, usually about 10 minutes, then I spit it out. I don’t drink anything or wash my mouth out for a half an hour & I have found that I do not get sick that way…but, I don’t feel any better for the first couple of days. I have been taking the 8’s twice a day. From what I am reading on this post, maybe I should try cutting the strips down to a couple of mg’s, waiting an hour and taking another 2 mg’s, etc. I do feel better after a couple of days and I know that the subs work, it’s just that first couple of days with no sleep and all of the withdrawal symptoms that is so hard to take and often, I have gone back to shooting dope…but I need to bear down and do this once and for all…the sub doctor is not cheap and neither are the strips, right!! I have read so many stories of people that take the subs and have immediate relief…I’m an addict, so I am looking for instant relief and if there is something that I can do differently with induction, I’m up for it…!!! Thanks again for posting…