Author: WantToBeFREE

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:58 pm

I’ll take a different approach, I was on Suboxone longer than you, I moderated around 2-4mg around my jump point.

Basically you can avoid Hell and spend months / years dedicating yourself to getting progressively lower doses until your dose is pretty much zero, jump and feel moderate withdrawals.

The major difference is the 10 initial or so days. I’ve not run into paws myself. I’m feeling better daily. Moderate stressful situations can feel quite intense at even 30 days out however.

Tapering is hard. But more comfortable in the long run. My mind won’t allow me to stay at a progressive dose. I’d reward myself for stupid life events and back track all of my progress. Looking back now I wouldn’t have changed my method to stopping. It’s more efficient, faster and by day 10-15 you’re at about the same feelings as a taper quitter.

Granted Hopespring is doing absolutely amazing. We share a lot of symptoms after the initial 15 days. My sleep patterns are coming back well. I’ve started to get non assisted sleep ( no clonidine ).

If you can taper more power to you. It’s absolutely possible to just stop taking them though. Painful and annoying, however completely do-able. Either method is nothing to be afraid of.

Tell your family you have a stomach flu if you need an excuse the first 10 days.

Anyhow back to work, this reply is horrid but I’m rushed.

Best of luck buddy!

-WTBF

Author: WantToBeFREE

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:58 pm

I’ll take a different approach, I was on Suboxone longer than you, I moderated around 2-4mg around my jump point.

Basically you can avoid Hell and spend months / years dedicating yourself to getting progressively lower doses until your dose is pretty much zero, jump and feel moderate withdrawals.

The major difference is the 10 initial or so days. I’ve not run into paws myself. I’m feeling better daily. Moderate stressful situations can feel quite intense at even 30 days out however.

Tapering is hard. But more comfortable in the long run. My mind won’t allow me to stay at a progressive dose. I’d reward myself for stupid life events and back track all of my progress. Looking back now I wouldn’t have changed my method to stopping. It’s more efficient, faster and by day 10-15 you’re at about the same feelings as a taper quitter.

Granted Hopespring is doing absolutely amazing. We share a lot of symptoms after the initial 15 days. My sleep patterns are coming back well. I’ve started to get non assisted sleep ( no clonidine ).

If you can taper more power to you. It’s absolutely possible to just stop taking them though. Painful and annoying, however completely do-able. Either method is nothing to be afraid of.

Tell your family you have a stomach flu if you need an excuse the first 10 days.

Anyhow back to work, this reply is horrid but I’m rushed.

Best of luck buddy!

-WTBF

Author: WantToBeFREE

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:09 pm

Baby Wipes indeed are genius. I’ve petioned to have my name changed to Baby Wipes!

(Lol)

Romeo – Ahaha absolutely perfect. I’ve felt the urge to walk around Walmart with my nikon and photograph some people. Unibrows galore from the people at the checkout points.

Romeo when I get home I’ve got a link for you with the promise of laughter to follow.

Anyhow back to work.

Keep it up Salem. You’ll be a success story soon enough

WTBF

Author: WantToBeFREE

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:09 pm

Baby Wipes indeed are genius. I’ve petioned to have my name changed to Baby Wipes!

(Lol)

Romeo – Ahaha absolutely perfect. I’ve felt the urge to walk around Walmart with my nikon and photograph some people. Unibrows galore from the people at the checkout points.

Romeo when I get home I’ve got a link for you with the promise of laughter to follow.

Anyhow back to work.

Keep it up Salem. You’ll be a success story soon enough

WTBF

Author: Invisible_sHadow

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:16 pm

I agree with everything Lilly said 110%. Please do NOT call the paper under ANY circumstances! The paper wants a story. A juicy, gossipy, detailed, eye-catching, story and they do NOT care how it makes Mike sound…. They want to sell a story and the juicier that story is, the more papers they sell.

I also have seen this first hand… Amber, I can’t remember if I told you about my arrest several years ago for peeing in the back of my drive way, while I was intoxicated after walking home from a neighbors party. A cop followed me over and asked me what I was doing. I was drunk and said "I was back there takin a piss, now I’m going inside." I was arrested for public intoxication (eventho I was on my own property), I was arrested for public indecency (eventho no one saw me pee in the back of my drive way behind my Jeep), and I was arrested for disorderly conduct. The next day the newspaper read "Half Naked Woman Faces 3 Charges", along with a story about how I was in my front yard with my pants off urinating on the grass and cussing and yelling at people down the street. IT WAS BEYOND HORRIBLE and NOT at all what happened.

I lost my job over that "story" in the paper because at the time I working at a bank and they didn’t want me working there any longer since my name was spread all over town in that way, they thought it would make them "look bad"… whatever. I filed for unemployment and got it, but it was just ridiculous the way they made me out to be. Don’t call the newspaper!

I also agree that God knows the truth. You just have to pray and pray some more. He has been my strength, my only strength and the only person I could talk to so many times… He will listen and He will give you more comfort than anyone else can in a time like this.

Stay strong, pray and talk to God, and let us know when you just need to talk or vent. We are here, all of us rooting for you and wishing you the best of luck.

Author: Invisible_sHadow

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:16 pm

I agree with everything Lilly said 110%. Please do NOT call the paper under ANY circumstances! The paper wants a story. A juicy, gossipy, detailed, eye-catching, story and they do NOT care how it makes Mike sound…. They want to sell a story and the juicier that story is, the more papers they sell.

I also have seen this first hand… Amber, I can’t remember if I told you about my arrest several years ago for peeing in the back of my drive way, while I was intoxicated after walking home from a neighbors party. A cop followed me over and asked me what I was doing. I was drunk and said "I was back there takin a piss, now I’m going inside." I was arrested for public intoxication (eventho I was on my own property), I was arrested for public indecency (eventho no one saw me pee in the back of my drive way behind my Jeep), and I was arrested for disorderly conduct. The next day the newspaper read "Half Naked Woman Faces 3 Charges", along with a story about how I was in my front yard with my pants off urinating on the grass and cussing and yelling at people down the street. IT WAS BEYOND HORRIBLE and NOT at all what happened.

I lost my job over that "story" in the paper because at the time I working at a bank and they didn’t want me working there any longer since my name was spread all over town in that way, they thought it would make them "look bad"… whatever. I filed for unemployment and got it, but it was just ridiculous the way they made me out to be. Don’t call the newspaper!

I also agree that God knows the truth. You just have to pray and pray some more. He has been my strength, my only strength and the only person I could talk to so many times… He will listen and He will give you more comfort than anyone else can in a time like this.

Stay strong, pray and talk to God, and let us know when you just need to talk or vent. We are here, all of us rooting for you and wishing you the best of luck.

Author: Salem13

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:45 pm

What’s up!!!!!!!!!!
Okay sooooooo
What the actual F#&@ IS GOING ON WITH ME!????? Have I been ripped off by pharmacies for a year and a half with fake subutex!???? I am on day 5 and the worst I have experienced so far is anxiety and even that was not too bad considering I always have anxiety, insomnia, RLS as is… like daily. So today I woke up after almost EIGHT FULL HOURS SLEEP after a.GLORIOUS evening of sex (sorry TMI) with my husband (whom I am quite sure thinks he is in friggin heaven right now!!!) I feel BETTER than I felt when I took the damn subutex. Don’t get me wrong…mentally I am 100% a junkie!!!! Even tho I feel better I STILL think of taking the stupid crap!!!! Like REALLY!!!!???? But I will NOT do that..hell no…no way…not a damn chance in hell!!!! So I just wanted to update everyone. I almost feel bad reporting this..like im letting everyone down by not writhing in pain dying…or like I’m going to start a riot on my thread now "oh well you may feel fine now but will wake up at 3:02am and your right arm will fall off and your hair will burst into flames" !!!!!
Either way….I feel okay. I don’t feel spectacular. I don’t feel grand. I feel better though. ..and as I am always happy as long as it gets better and not worse
In other news…for all of u familiar with NA/AA and who like to laugh. ..go like the page "13th step memes" on Facebook….holy crap!!!!!! It is to funny to even describe!!!!

Author: Salem13

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:45 pm

What’s up!!!!!!!!!!
Okay sooooooo
What the actual F#&@ IS GOING ON WITH ME!????? Have I been ripped off by pharmacies for a year and a half with fake subutex!???? I am on day 5 and the worst I have experienced so far is anxiety and even that was not too bad considering I always have anxiety, insomnia, RLS as is… like daily. So today I woke up after almost EIGHT FULL HOURS SLEEP after a.GLORIOUS evening of sex (sorry TMI) with my husband (whom I am quite sure thinks he is in friggin heaven right now!!!) I feel BETTER than I felt when I took the damn subutex. Don’t get me wrong…mentally I am 100% a junkie!!!! Even tho I feel better I STILL think of taking the stupid crap!!!! Like REALLY!!!!???? But I will NOT do that..hell no…no way…not a damn chance in hell!!!! So I just wanted to update everyone. I almost feel bad reporting this..like im letting everyone down by not writhing in pain dying…or like I’m going to start a riot on my thread now "oh well you may feel fine now but will wake up at 3:02am and your right arm will fall off and your hair will burst into flames" !!!!!
Either way….I feel okay. I don’t feel spectacular. I don’t feel grand. I feel better though. ..and as I am always happy as long as it gets better and not worse
In other news…for all of u familiar with NA/AA and who like to laugh. ..go like the page "13th step memes" on Facebook….holy crap!!!!!! It is to funny to even describe!!!!

Author: BeautifulMess

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:38 pm

I was put on Subutex when I got pregnant, I had no insurance at the time. I had so many side effects from suboxone that I opted to stay on subutex after my pregnancy, my doctor had no issue with it and no I am not breastfeeding either. I now have medicaid and ive never had an issue with them not allowing me to be prescribed generic. Im not limited on the amount or anything. Also, both suboxone and subutex can both be IVed with no ill effects.. Naloxone does absolutely nothing in Suboxone, no matter how you take it (well accept maybe make you sweat more and have headaches).. RB just wants doctors to believe it does so their product gets pushed and subutex doesnt. Naloxone isnt the blocker in either form of sub, the bupe is what actually blocks other opiates. Naloxone has no reason to even be in it because people can still take it however they want but as far as keeping suboxone from being abused like subutex, NO, they both can be abused the same.. the only difference between the 2 is price.

Author: BeautifulMess

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:38 pm

I was put on Subutex when I got pregnant, I had no insurance at the time. I had so many side effects from suboxone that I opted to stay on subutex after my pregnancy, my doctor had no issue with it and no I am not breastfeeding either. I now have medicaid and ive never had an issue with them not allowing me to be prescribed generic. Im not limited on the amount or anything. Also, both suboxone and subutex can both be IVed with no ill effects.. Naloxone does absolutely nothing in Suboxone, no matter how you take it (well accept maybe make you sweat more and have headaches).. RB just wants doctors to believe it does so their product gets pushed and subutex doesnt. Naloxone isnt the blocker in either form of sub, the bupe is what actually blocks other opiates. Naloxone has no reason to even be in it because people can still take it however they want but as far as keeping suboxone from being abused like subutex, NO, they both can be abused the same.. the only difference between the 2 is price.