Is Tramadol okay for and addict with chronic pain?

Author: pitbullmomma34

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:23 pm

Well I am a Suboxone user for about 16 months, had a slip and had to go back on it. Well, I couldnt get my Suboxone in the month of November due to finance issues. The doctor gave me Tramadol’s and Klonipins to keep me from crawling the walls. This was not a good idea because Tramadol was what got me rolling on the addiction train. He has said so many times to me that Tramadol is not addictive, but OH YES it is. I know that some people dont feel a thing from them, but I was taking so many of them that I was nodding off and I was high from them.
I dont think that tramadol is a good suggestion for someone that has addiction problems. There is alot of people that might not ever have one single problem with Tramadol but I think that if you are having chronic pain, Tramadol unless you are on a high dosage or those IR ones isnt going to touch any pain that you are having.

Is Tramadol okay for and addict with chronic pain?

Author: pitbullmomma34

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:23 pm

Well I am a Suboxone user for about 16 months, had a slip and had to go back on it. Well, I couldnt get my Suboxone in the month of November due to finance issues. The doctor gave me Tramadol’s and Klonipins to keep me from crawling the walls. This was not a good idea because Tramadol was what got me rolling on the addiction train. He has said so many times to me that Tramadol is not addictive, but OH YES it is. I know that some people dont feel a thing from them, but I was taking so many of them that I was nodding off and I was high from them.
I dont think that tramadol is a good suggestion for someone that has addiction problems. There is alot of people that might not ever have one single problem with Tramadol but I think that if you are having chronic pain, Tramadol unless you are on a high dosage or those IR ones isnt going to touch any pain that you are having.

Twilight sedation on subuTEX

Author: amber4.14.11

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:48 pm

Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked WOW Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

Im sooooooo sorry…………………..
It wasn’t bad enough, or hard enough on you to go through such a tramatic thing, but the Dr. had to be a douche, too huh?

jeeeeeeeeeeesshhhh

I’d DEFINITELY FILE A COMPLAINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here’s some information,,, that you can USE for your complaint to TEACH THEM a thing or two about suboxone,,,,,
so that MAYBE the next person doesn’t have to go through what you did………..

so, MY FAVORITE info is on this site,
here’s the link
http://www.naabt.org/education.cfm

Click "buprenorphine eduacation"
and I’d print out the FAQs page, and anything else you’d like to include, they have a GREAT color picture/pamphlet thing,
that shows EXACTLY how the ‘bupe’ attaches to the opiate receptors.
and how they fill up and you know, it doesn’t make you high but fufills cravings, ETC ETC ETC
I think you should definitely include a few things from there, IF you feel like it,,
it’s like given scientific information, PROVING your side.
know what I mean??
I actually ordered thier lil free "information brochure" about bupe, when I first went on it, I didn’t have the internet, anyways, the pamplets/pictures I brought them WITH ME to EASTER DINNER, and passed them around to my family members,
it REALLY HELPED explain things for them, and to "see" it in another form instead of me just saying the same shit over and over
So, I guess that’s why I like the naabt site so much to this day Wink

ALSO,
here’s Dr. J’s post about w/d in newborns/pregnant women on bupe (I’ll paste the article at the bottom here, so you can just print that, if you want to)
Link
http://www.suboxonetalkzone.com/withdrawal-in-newborns-lay-off-the-guilt-trip/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A%20SuboxoneTalkZoneASuboxoneBlog%20%2528Suboxone%20Talk%20Zone%253A%20A%20Suboxone%20Blog%2529

Seriously,
that was so wrong for that dr. to do that/treat you that way….
I don’t even know what to say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
except that it totally pisses me off.
let me know if there’s ANYTHING else I can do for you, ANY more info you need or would like to use, to explain to them you are DOING THE BEST THING YOU CAN
and they should be NICE and supportive, NOT SHITTY AND JUDGEMENTAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(rant over!)

Okay, take care of yourself, try and do something nice for yourself, I don’t know if you can buy a new outfit, or even a funny movie SOMETHING
do something just for YOU.
promise???
You deserve it!!!!!!!!

~~~~~~~sending you strength tonight~~~~~~~~

Here’s that article, by the suboxdoc

Withdrawal in newborns: Lay off the guilt trip!!

by J T Junig on 2010/02/01

I will share some thoughts that I left at a discussion at a ‘linked in’ group about addiction. I was responding to someone who was equating addiction and physical dependence in a baby born to an opiate-addicted mother. My feeling is that such women are given way too much of an attitude by the nurses and others who care for them, and that was the motivation behind my response. Read on:

There are many differences between physiological dependence and addiction to substances. For example, people who take effexor are dependent– and will have significant discontinuation-emergent side effects– but they are not ‘addicted’, which consists of a mental obsession for a substance. The same is true of beta-blockes, in that discontinuation results in rebound hypertension, but there is no craving for propranololol when it is stopped abruptly.

We have no idea of the ‘cravings’ experienced by a newborn, but I cannot imagine a newborn having the cortical connections required to experience anything akin to the ‘cravings’ experienced by opiate addicts, which consist of memories of using and positive reinforcement of behavior—things that are NOT part of the experience ‘in utero’.
It is also important to realize that the withdrawal experienced by addicts consists of little actual ‘pain’ (I’ve been there—I know). Addicts talk about this subject often, as in ‘why do we hate withdrawal so much?’ It is not physical pain, but rather the discomfort of involuntary movements of the limbs , depression, and very severe shame and guilt. The NORMAL newborn already HAS such involuntary movements as the result of incomplete myelination of spinal nerve tracts and immature basal ganglia and cerebellar function in the brain. And the worst part of withdrawal—the shame and guilt and hopelessness—are not experienced in the same degree in a baby who has no understanding of the stigma of addiction!

Finally, if we look at the ‘misery’ experienced by a newborn, we should compare it to the misery experienced by being a newborn in general. I doubt it feels good to have one’s head squeezed so hard that it changes shape—yet nobody gets real excited about THAT discomfort—at least not from the baby’s perspective! I also doubt it feels good to have one’s head squeezed by a pair of forceps, and then be pulled by the head through the birth canal! Many hospitals still do circumcisions without local, instead just tying down the limbs and cutting. Babies having surgery for pyloric stenosis are often intubated ‘awake’, as the standard of care– which anyone who understands intubation knows is not a pleasant experience. And up until a couple decades ago—i.e. the 1980s (!), babies had surgery on the heart, including splitting open the sternum or breaking ribs, with a paralytic agent only, as the belief was that a baby with a heart defect wouldn’t tolerate narcotics or anesthetic. I don’t like making a baby experience the heightened autonomic activity that can be associated with abstinence syndrome, but compared to other elements of the birth experience, I know which I would choose!

My points are twofold, and are not intended to encourage more births of physiogically-dependent babies. But everyone in the field should be aware of the very clear difference between physiological dependence and addiction, as the difference is a basic principle that is not a matter of opinion—but rather the need to get one’s definitions right. Second, the cycle of addiction and shame has been well established, and there is already plenty of shame inside of most addicted mothers. If there are ten babies screaming loudly, only the whimper from the ‘addict baby’ elicits the ‘tsk tsk’ of the nurses and breast feeding consultants. My first child was born to a healthy mom years before my own opiate dependence, and he never took to breast feeding; he his mother been an addict, his trouble surely would have been blamed on ‘addiction’ or ‘withdrawal’. Unfortunately even medical people see what they want to see—and sometimes that view needs to be checked for bias due to undeserved stigma—for EVERYONE’S good, baby included.
.
Read more at http://www.suboxonetalkzone.com/withdrawal-in-newborns-lay-off-the-guilt-trip/#JrUYQKdf0JzGHBXv.99

Twilight sedation on subuTEX

Author: amber4.14.11

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:48 pm

Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked WOW Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

Im sooooooo sorry…………………..
It wasn’t bad enough, or hard enough on you to go through such a tramatic thing, but the Dr. had to be a douche, too huh?

jeeeeeeeeeeesshhhh

I’d DEFINITELY FILE A COMPLAINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here’s some information,,, that you can USE for your complaint to TEACH THEM a thing or two about suboxone,,,,,
so that MAYBE the next person doesn’t have to go through what you did………..

so, MY FAVORITE info is on this site,
here’s the link
http://www.naabt.org/education.cfm

Click "buprenorphine eduacation"
and I’d print out the FAQs page, and anything else you’d like to include, they have a GREAT color picture/pamphlet thing,
that shows EXACTLY how the ‘bupe’ attaches to the opiate receptors.
and how they fill up and you know, it doesn’t make you high but fufills cravings, ETC ETC ETC
I think you should definitely include a few things from there, IF you feel like it,,
it’s like given scientific information, PROVING your side.
know what I mean??
I actually ordered thier lil free "information brochure" about bupe, when I first went on it, I didn’t have the internet, anyways, the pamplets/pictures I brought them WITH ME to EASTER DINNER, and passed them around to my family members,
it REALLY HELPED explain things for them, and to "see" it in another form instead of me just saying the same shit over and over
So, I guess that’s why I like the naabt site so much to this day Wink

ALSO,
here’s Dr. J’s post about w/d in newborns/pregnant women on bupe (I’ll paste the article at the bottom here, so you can just print that, if you want to)
Link
http://www.suboxonetalkzone.com/withdrawal-in-newborns-lay-off-the-guilt-trip/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A%20SuboxoneTalkZoneASuboxoneBlog%20%2528Suboxone%20Talk%20Zone%253A%20A%20Suboxone%20Blog%2529

Seriously,
that was so wrong for that dr. to do that/treat you that way….
I don’t even know what to say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
except that it totally pisses me off.
let me know if there’s ANYTHING else I can do for you, ANY more info you need or would like to use, to explain to them you are DOING THE BEST THING YOU CAN
and they should be NICE and supportive, NOT SHITTY AND JUDGEMENTAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(rant over!)

Okay, take care of yourself, try and do something nice for yourself, I don’t know if you can buy a new outfit, or even a funny movie SOMETHING
do something just for YOU.
promise???
You deserve it!!!!!!!!

~~~~~~~sending you strength tonight~~~~~~~~

Here’s that article, by the suboxdoc

Withdrawal in newborns: Lay off the guilt trip!!

by J T Junig on 2010/02/01

I will share some thoughts that I left at a discussion at a ‘linked in’ group about addiction. I was responding to someone who was equating addiction and physical dependence in a baby born to an opiate-addicted mother. My feeling is that such women are given way too much of an attitude by the nurses and others who care for them, and that was the motivation behind my response. Read on:

There are many differences between physiological dependence and addiction to substances. For example, people who take effexor are dependent– and will have significant discontinuation-emergent side effects– but they are not ‘addicted’, which consists of a mental obsession for a substance. The same is true of beta-blockes, in that discontinuation results in rebound hypertension, but there is no craving for propranololol when it is stopped abruptly.

We have no idea of the ‘cravings’ experienced by a newborn, but I cannot imagine a newborn having the cortical connections required to experience anything akin to the ‘cravings’ experienced by opiate addicts, which consist of memories of using and positive reinforcement of behavior—things that are NOT part of the experience ‘in utero’.
It is also important to realize that the withdrawal experienced by addicts consists of little actual ‘pain’ (I’ve been there—I know). Addicts talk about this subject often, as in ‘why do we hate withdrawal so much?’ It is not physical pain, but rather the discomfort of involuntary movements of the limbs , depression, and very severe shame and guilt. The NORMAL newborn already HAS such involuntary movements as the result of incomplete myelination of spinal nerve tracts and immature basal ganglia and cerebellar function in the brain. And the worst part of withdrawal—the shame and guilt and hopelessness—are not experienced in the same degree in a baby who has no understanding of the stigma of addiction!

Finally, if we look at the ‘misery’ experienced by a newborn, we should compare it to the misery experienced by being a newborn in general. I doubt it feels good to have one’s head squeezed so hard that it changes shape—yet nobody gets real excited about THAT discomfort—at least not from the baby’s perspective! I also doubt it feels good to have one’s head squeezed by a pair of forceps, and then be pulled by the head through the birth canal! Many hospitals still do circumcisions without local, instead just tying down the limbs and cutting. Babies having surgery for pyloric stenosis are often intubated ‘awake’, as the standard of care– which anyone who understands intubation knows is not a pleasant experience. And up until a couple decades ago—i.e. the 1980s (!), babies had surgery on the heart, including splitting open the sternum or breaking ribs, with a paralytic agent only, as the belief was that a baby with a heart defect wouldn’t tolerate narcotics or anesthetic. I don’t like making a baby experience the heightened autonomic activity that can be associated with abstinence syndrome, but compared to other elements of the birth experience, I know which I would choose!

My points are twofold, and are not intended to encourage more births of physiogically-dependent babies. But everyone in the field should be aware of the very clear difference between physiological dependence and addiction, as the difference is a basic principle that is not a matter of opinion—but rather the need to get one’s definitions right. Second, the cycle of addiction and shame has been well established, and there is already plenty of shame inside of most addicted mothers. If there are ten babies screaming loudly, only the whimper from the ‘addict baby’ elicits the ‘tsk tsk’ of the nurses and breast feeding consultants. My first child was born to a healthy mom years before my own opiate dependence, and he never took to breast feeding; he his mother been an addict, his trouble surely would have been blamed on ‘addiction’ or ‘withdrawal’. Unfortunately even medical people see what they want to see—and sometimes that view needs to be checked for bias due to undeserved stigma—for EVERYONE’S good, baby included.
.
Read more at http://www.suboxonetalkzone.com/withdrawal-in-newborns-lay-off-the-guilt-trip/#JrUYQKdf0JzGHBXv.99

Severe Premature Ejaculation HELP

Author: Equ4L

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:54 pm

I have been prescribed 24mg subutex for about 8 months, here lately I have been taking less like 8mg daily. I have had this problem of not being able to last at all, last year when I was on suboxone I could go all night n never get off, wtf!! It’s quite aggravating for me and my girlfriend I would say.. Some nights I get lucky and last a few minutes but usually it’s over in a couple strokes. What can I do to make it better for her and myself? I enjoy being able to please her, and if I can’t it’s not nearly as fun. Some help would be greatly appreciated.

Severe Premature Ejaculation HELP

Author: Equ4L

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:54 pm

I have been prescribed 24mg subutex for about 8 months, here lately I have been taking less like 8mg daily. I have had this problem of not being able to last at all, last year when I was on suboxone I could go all night n never get off, wtf!! It’s quite aggravating for me and my girlfriend I would say.. Some nights I get lucky and last a few minutes but usually it’s over in a couple strokes. What can I do to make it better for her and myself? I enjoy being able to please her, and if I can’t it’s not nearly as fun. Some help would be greatly appreciated.

My SWITCH

Author: amber4.14.11

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:59 pm

Bboy42287 wrote:

Oh i go my official date for getting week day take homes February 2nd give or take a few days. So ill keep you all updated.

~~~~~WHOA~~~~~

OFFICIAL::::::AKA::::: """ROCK STAR STATUS""

That’s so awesome, Bboy….. You’ve worked REALLY hard to get where you’re at. I know it hasn’t always been easy,,,
you and I both, well orange doll too, LOL,,, we all try and have a positive attitude most of the time, but I know, for ME,
sometimes I still crave,
and I still have hard days, rough days, whatever…..

All I’m saying is GREAT JOB DUDE!!!!!

I know, it’s not "official" yet, but even getting to this POINT where it’s a possibility, is HUGE,, HUGE!!!

gold star award, for you today!!!!!

yea, I’m a lil corny,,,,
but you know you like it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

My SWITCH

Author: amber4.14.11

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:59 pm

Bboy42287 wrote:

Oh i go my official date for getting week day take homes February 2nd give or take a few days. So ill keep you all updated.

~~~~~WHOA~~~~~

OFFICIAL::::::AKA::::: """ROCK STAR STATUS""

That’s so awesome, Bboy….. You’ve worked REALLY hard to get where you’re at. I know it hasn’t always been easy,,,
you and I both, well orange doll too, LOL,,, we all try and have a positive attitude most of the time, but I know, for ME,
sometimes I still crave,
and I still have hard days, rough days, whatever…..

All I’m saying is GREAT JOB DUDE!!!!!

I know, it’s not "official" yet, but even getting to this POINT where it’s a possibility, is HUGE,, HUGE!!!

gold star award, for you today!!!!!

yea, I’m a lil corny,,,,
but you know you like it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing