Day 3 no sub- Worst Here or Yet to Come? Your Opinion Wanted

Author: invisiblemovement

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:52 pm

Aww you guys thanks!! I love you all, lol. I really thoughts no one cared about this thread lol

A help kit and emergency list, haha that is great!! I keep saying I need to do that too! Ha we are like… those prepper people LOL.. u know those people that hoard for doomsday? We are prepping for our own doomsday, lol… but I guess I should be thinking of it more like a Happy Days not a doomsday. Like seasonasdad says, you don’t realize how easy life is until you are off the drugs and I honestly believe that. Subs stress me out so much and take up way too much thinking time during the day. It’s like I have gotten into this habit of thinking in which I think I need my dose to operate. And then you know what happens? When my dose wears off, I end up not functioning as well, because I honestly believe that I can’t. I end up thinking about my dose, how much I should take, oh shit is that a cop, he’s going to find the sub in my purse, can those people tell I’m high? Just stupid things. Our bodies were built to take on the world, we have evolved to be these great creatures, I don’t need to fill it with drugs. They will only slow me down. Especially my brain. If I’m high watching the clouds go by, I’m not doing as much work as I should be doing. Although I would be lieing if I didn’t say, that many times sub really puts me in the mood to doing things. It would be better to train myself how to get motivated to do my work without drugs. I just want to be proud of MYSELF, instead of being proud of the drugs. I want to know that I accomplished these things all by myself, Look how awesome I am, I did a good job. Rather than thinking, "hehe, this sub has made me powerful and unable to feel pain so I get all this work done all day!" That is totally different. I am worshiping the sub instead of myself (or God, which is what it should be. He’s the one that made me. If you guy’s done believe in God, well, I suppose if anything be happy for Nature for evolving to create such a beautiful human body and brain that you are blessed to inhabit). And what do I do with this miraculous gift from God/Nature? I poison it with drugs! I try to escape my mind, rather than being thankful for even having a mind! If I was told I would die at the end of the day, I would say, "No! But, I like me! I don’t want to leave me!" I mean yeah sometimes I get depressed and for a split second wish I could just die to leave all of this life behind, but really, in the end, I don’t want to leave myself. I love myself so much and I’m going to miss my body when I leave (die). I don’t know any truths about this world, if my spirit will go on to another life and I will still be with myself and know myself, or if even if I do get to go on to another life or afterlife, will I still be the same person inside? What if I’m different? I like me the way I am, I don’t want to leave. Anyways, my point is, since I would be sad if I had to leave my body today, I should be thankful for even having a life, instead of always trying to change my perspective and change the way I feel with drugs. If I was thankful for having a life at all, I would be so happy that I wouldn’t need drugs.

Well, this is the kind of stuff I think about to stay positive about my jump.

I totally know what you mean by a health kit. I have a desk drawer full of vitamins and medications like a woman’s ultimate vitamin, immodium, naproxen, excedrin (not sure if I should use the caffeine though), magnesium, valerian, 5-htp, L-tyrosine, and tomorrow I’m getting some somas. Not sure if the somas will make withdraw worse like how flexerol makes withdraws worse, but I don’t think so. I just want it to help get to sleep. But I really want to try and not use any of it. I want to get my vitamins from food and learn to sleep without medication and just use naproxen for pain and it helps me relax to go to sleep. Well, and I’ll certainly need the immodium. And the 5-htp is good for depression/anxiety but sometimes it can make you sleepy and I don’t want that if I’m already a turtle, so we’ll see.

I totally also wanted an emergency list! Like, I had this idea, that whenever I get anxious or depressed while on sub, to write down what helps me get out of my funk, and then consult my journal when I feel those feelings, or make a video diary and put them in folders on my computer marked, like "ways to remember life is worth living sober", or, "watch when you think you need a dose", or, "depression is good" to remind me that I like being depressed sometimes because, well for one, for once my mind isn’t racing with anxiety, and 2, it feels good to get my emotions out and cry. I would love to hear your tips if you can share them, JByrd.

Yeah yeah yeah it looks like I’m overthinking all this stuff again, but you know what, I’ve smartened up a little and have learned that when you are stuck in a moment, like stuck in anxiety, it’s hard to get out of it unless you know what to do. So I’m writing up a plan. It’s good to plan ahead. I like to plan for success. I want to think of all the stops and figure out ways to get passed each imagainable obstacle. Will thinking about these obstacles make them appear during withdraws? Maybe. But I’m willing to take that chance to make the plans. That’s just the way I am. If I don’t plan ahead, I worry about the future. I can’t really change that about me in the next 19 days. So, instead, if I plan for each obstacle, then if they come, I’m not scared of them, because I know (roughly) what to do.

28 DAYS – what to do??

Author: tinydancer

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:53 pm

I still feel like I am hearing music for the first time. It is the weirdest experience that is almost impossible to describe. I certainly liked music while I was on sub.. went to concerts, etc.. But I must not have really been hearing it or feeling it. Now that I am off sub -and all things completely- I can’t believe how enjoyable music is. It really is incredible.

Right there with you!

28 DAYS – what to do??

Author: tinydancer

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:53 pm

I still feel like I am hearing music for the first time. It is the weirdest experience that is almost impossible to describe. I certainly liked music while I was on sub.. went to concerts, etc.. But I must not have really been hearing it or feeling it. Now that I am off sub -and all things completely- I can’t believe how enjoyable music is. It really is incredible.

Right there with you!

What if you have nothing in common with your partner…

Author: Romeo

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:24 pm

Hey TJ,

There’s no way I can even guess if this girl is "the" girl for you or not, only you can figure that out, but I will say this….my wife and I are from two different countries, two different "styles" of living. We had some things in common when we met, but we were by no means two peas in a pod. We did, however, know that we both shared a similar moral base, we knew fairly quickly that we loved each other and from my perspective, my wife is an incredibly stabilizing force in my life. But, I’m also…..I don’t wanna say destabilizing force in her life…..ummmm…..you know what I mean. I needed her to help stabilize me and she needed me to help her live outside of the box a little bit.

Having dissimilar interests is certainly not all bad, it can be used as something to actually help bring you two together if you’re both willing to learn from each other. I know we addicts hate change (I think most everyone does), but with change comes growth and maybe that’s what you need right now?

What if you have nothing in common with your partner…

Author: Romeo

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:24 pm

Hey TJ,

There’s no way I can even guess if this girl is "the" girl for you or not, only you can figure that out, but I will say this….my wife and I are from two different countries, two different "styles" of living. We had some things in common when we met, but we were by no means two peas in a pod. We did, however, know that we both shared a similar moral base, we knew fairly quickly that we loved each other and from my perspective, my wife is an incredibly stabilizing force in my life. But, I’m also…..I don’t wanna say destabilizing force in her life…..ummmm…..you know what I mean. I needed her to help stabilize me and she needed me to help her live outside of the box a little bit.

Having dissimilar interests is certainly not all bad, it can be used as something to actually help bring you two together if you’re both willing to learn from each other. I know we addicts hate change (I think most everyone does), but with change comes growth and maybe that’s what you need right now?

Aqua’s Taper Journal

Author: ClearAqua

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:38 pm

Hello! Been reading around for a bit before posting and I still see Romeo and Laddertripper….made me so happy to see you two!

I didn’t know whether to start a new thread or continue my old one and decided to continue the old one as it IS part of my journey.

Reading from the beginning, you can see that I started the "Rapid Sub-Taper of All Sub-Tapers". I ended up in the "Rapid Sub-Taper Depression of All Sub-Taper Depressions". Looking back, the story is:

From March 2011 thru Sep 2011, I dropped from a 3.5 year 24 mgs/Sub daily to 2 mgs daily. I went so rapidly at first that I triggered major anxiety which spiraled into major depression. I did all this thinking I was having kidney/bladder probs that might require surgery. It was a stone, which did not require anything at all LOL But, my ordeal had begun. I posted here until, exhausted from depression, I did not even post anymore.

With my doctor’s assistance, we kept inching up the Sub to where we found I was comfortable again and the depression was dealt with and that was 8 mgs. I have been on 8 mgs this year. The depression/anxiety is gone….don’t remember how long it took but realized one day that it had passed. I went into bad "can’t get out of bed…what is the meaning of life" depression. I made it through and let me say that the whole "sub, endorphins" thing is nothing to play with. You must give your brain ample time when tapering to "pick up the ball", so to speak. So, here I stand, end of year 2012, on 8 mgs/day and stabilized. I am ready to begin the taper again but this time (boy, have I EVER learned) it will be very, very slow. I don’t care if it takes 2-3 years to taper….I will never, ever put myself through the hell of a rapid taper ever again.

Ladder, I read some posts that said you had finally made the jump! I am sooooooo happy for you! Ecstatic! You did it! And Romeo….I am just proud to see you still here and giving your words of wisdom and encouragement to those who need it.

My plan is to finish out the year and on Jan 1, drop to 6 mgs and just stay there until I am sure I am acclimated. No time frame this time….no hurry. From there, I plan to take it down 1 mg at a time until I hit 3 mgs…then I will start dropping in .25 increments. Again, with no hurry and no time frame. What I did to myself is scary and it is totally uncalled for. I had to learn a little life lesson called "patience" Smile

Happy to just be at a point where I can start the taper again.

Happy Holidays to all Very Happy

Aqua’s Taper Journal

Author: ClearAqua

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:38 pm

Hello! Been reading around for a bit before posting and I still see Romeo and Laddertripper….made me so happy to see you two!

I didn’t know whether to start a new thread or continue my old one and decided to continue the old one as it IS part of my journey.

Reading from the beginning, you can see that I started the "Rapid Sub-Taper of All Sub-Tapers". I ended up in the "Rapid Sub-Taper Depression of All Sub-Taper Depressions". Looking back, the story is:

From March 2011 thru Sep 2011, I dropped from a 3.5 year 24 mgs/Sub daily to 2 mgs daily. I went so rapidly at first that I triggered major anxiety which spiraled into major depression. I did all this thinking I was having kidney/bladder probs that might require surgery. It was a stone, which did not require anything at all LOL But, my ordeal had begun. I posted here until, exhausted from depression, I did not even post anymore.

With my doctor’s assistance, we kept inching up the Sub to where we found I was comfortable again and the depression was dealt with and that was 8 mgs. I have been on 8 mgs this year. The depression/anxiety is gone….don’t remember how long it took but realized one day that it had passed. I went into bad "can’t get out of bed…what is the meaning of life" depression. I made it through and let me say that the whole "sub, endorphins" thing is nothing to play with. You must give your brain ample time when tapering to "pick up the ball", so to speak. So, here I stand, end of year 2012, on 8 mgs/day and stabilized. I am ready to begin the taper again but this time (boy, have I EVER learned) it will be very, very slow. I don’t care if it takes 2-3 years to taper….I will never, ever put myself through the hell of a rapid taper ever again.

Ladder, I read some posts that said you had finally made the jump! I am sooooooo happy for you! Ecstatic! You did it! And Romeo….I am just proud to see you still here and giving your words of wisdom and encouragement to those who need it.

My plan is to finish out the year and on Jan 1, drop to 6 mgs and just stay there until I am sure I am acclimated. No time frame this time….no hurry. From there, I plan to take it down 1 mg at a time until I hit 3 mgs…then I will start dropping in .25 increments. Again, with no hurry and no time frame. What I did to myself is scary and it is totally uncalled for. I had to learn a little life lesson called "patience" Smile

Happy to just be at a point where I can start the taper again.

Happy Holidays to all Very Happy

HELP! FREAKING OUT! Quit date Saturday 11-17

Author: ForMe2012

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:27 pm

JByrd98,

Thank you so much for your advice and it was positive. I tried explaining to my girlfriend and mother but they dont believe me. I feel as if I should stay on the medicine because it does help the pain. I do not want to continue depending on medication and when I run out I feel like I am dying. Its sooooo awful the way I feel. Now, that I dont have any insurance I cant get my meds and I wont lie its on my mind a lot. I have been calling around to see if I could find a clinic that can point me in the right direction. Again, JByrd98, thank you from the bottom of my heart.