Beware! – Travelling to America on Suboxone

Author: stephent

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:36 pm

I doubt his visa was denied due to being on Suboxone. As mentioned earlier, it could be for 100s of reasons. The situation is not unique to the US either.

Your friend was smart in being honest about the Suboxone. I would hate to have issues at Customs. Sadly, in the US, their is lots of pressure on the President and others to "be tough" on immigration. Lots of people still have problems with Xenophobia. Its very silly and not all Americans are like that. Furthermore, I saw quite a bit of the same stuff when I was in Europe. It exists everywhere (though it is getting better thankfully).

Tell your friend to try again and have him take any opportunity possible to explain him situation. INS is a big agency and maybe a set of fresh eyes will make a difference.

Back for round 2

Author: StillProdigy

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:49 pm

So its day 3 now and I feel great. I slept last night with no problem and woke up feeling great. Maybe a little cold but thats to be expected. I feel like im back…not cocky but cautiously optomistic. I got a friend of mine to get on subs and he induced yesterday with great success. Its great hiw these subs give people like us another shot at life. Just checkin in.

Prodigy

Suboxone & Ativan (lorazepam)

Author: tearj3rker

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:05 pm

Diary of a Quitter wrote:
Isn’t Seroquel an antipsychotic? With really awful side effects and a bad "disontinuation syndrome"? Didn’t the FDA recently recommend AGAINST approving Seroquel for anxiety and as a stand-alone treatment for depression?

I’m suprised to hear it suggested for anxiety. I’ve also heard of people taking it as a sleep aid. I wouldn’t touch that drug with a forty foot pole.

Agreed about the anxiety. But big disagreements with everything else.

Anti-psychotic medications have more uses than just treating psychosis. Seroquel I think actually has more sedating properties than anti-psychotic ones. I’ve found it to be a pretty weak anti-psychotic compared to … Zyprexa, Risperidone. These days it’s often used as a sedating agent. A small dose – 25mg, is often enough to treat sleeping issues, with no dependence and little side-effects.

Anti-psychotics, including seroquel, do NOT have discontinuation syndrome akin to SSRI & SNRI medications. In fact, Seroquel I found was incredibly easy to come off compared to anti-depressants (esp SNRI’s), benzos and opioids.

There’s this really whack assumption out there that anti-psychotic medications are ‘hardcore’ and scary, as is lithium, and anti-depressants are relatively benign. I’ve been on all classes, and honestly they’re all equally psychtropic / mind-altering in their own way. I’d MUCH rather be put on an anti-psychotic than an SNRI medication, if anything because of the nasty discontinuation syndrome (*cough* withdrawal) from the anti-depressants.

Anti-psychs often have sedating properties, so I’m sure pharma companies would push for the anxiety indication. But anyone with anxiety who’s been on anti-psychs knows that a person CAN be both sedated, and anxious.

I’d encourage anyone on anti-psychotic medication to ask their doctor what ‘tardive dyskenesia’ is, and whether you’re at risk of getting it. Preferably get their response in writing.

FILMS TO PILLS TO FILMS

Author: stephent

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:44 pm

tearj3rker wrote:

To minimise this, it might be better to switch each alternating day. That way your overall stacked levels would stay on an even level, and you might not have to restabilise as much.

Let us know how you go.

Sounds like good advice

using subutex my way…

Author: tearj3rker

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:51 pm

Dana D D wrote:
I don’t agree with what this guys doing at all. I do agree that he is on a recovery forum asking to find alternative ways to "USE" Sub to get the feeling he wants to achieve. BUT all meds were made for a specific purpose even oxy and oxyctn. I know that I did not use those as prescribed "OPIATE ABUSE." He isn’t using Sub as prescribed "SUB ABUSE." So if you used any legit RX to obtain your high you can judge but you are hypocritical. It is exactly the same it is RX abuse. So if you take offense to his use then you should be angry with anyone that uses any RX in an abusive manner.

SNAP

So much of this stuff goes on here when people admit to misusing their Suboxone.

Sure most of us are in recovery now. There are SO many who previously abused opioids meant for legitimate painkilling purposes, doctor shopping and deceiving. What about all those people who were using their agonists responsibly AS prescribed, who were denied treatment or made to jump through hoops because so many of US were doing the wrong thing?

Now WE complain about the people who are doing to us on Suboxone exactly what we were doing to all those people! Hypocrisy is one label for it.

Have we conveniently forgotten that the abuse of opioids is a part of a DISEASE? That OP is a sick person in need of help? Even if he doesn’t want to quit the high YET, isn’t it better for his health and life to abuse a safer opioid like buprenorphine than risk his life piling on the agonists?

It totally discourages people in OP’s situation from becoming responsible Sub users if they leave here thinking responsible Sub users are hypocritical and lacking in compassion.

Help doctor visit…

Author: slipper

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:04 pm

RecoversWithSubs92 wrote:
I current just got out of rehab about 3 weeks ago and have been taking subs for the 3 week period i was in and the 3 week period ive been out. I relapsed smoking pot yesterday taking 4 hits of pot and really nervious about making my apt for thursday to get my next 2 weeks subs. Now wen i go to the doctor im required the usual urine drop to see whats in my system. Im afraid shell find i indeed due have marijuana in my system and she will kick me off my subs… I was wondering if i came clean with her of that i smoked pot will she still kick me off the subs. I really do want to stay opiate free and thats what i have been doing. i just slipped up with smoking pot. what do i do? should i prolong to apointment til next monday for imsure i would be cleaned of all the thc in my body (im 6’1 and weight 143 pounds… yes very skinny… from drug use) come clean with my doctor or what. please help me!
Also i forgot to add i live in Illinois if that makes any differnce

I think you should definately come clean with your doctor. Tell her just what you posted here…that you want to stay opiate free..get your life back and that you had been doing good in treatment and out. You haven’t taken any opiates or other drugs…you are fresh out of a treatment center and very vunerable. Tell her you want to be honest with her and be able to talk to her. I think she will understand and not kick you out for a little marij…Also marijuana stays in your system a long time…better to tell her the truth than her finding it out in a drug screen. Anyway, that is what I would do.

Good luck to you and welcome to the forum..keep us posted on your recovery!
Sincerely,
Slipper

Why am I still craving??

Author: hatmaker510

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:40 pm

YOU are the only one (in conjunction with your doctor) to determine what you need to address your cravings (and withdrawals). Didn’t you say you were using 24 mg last time and you were using MORE opiates this time and you’re on less sub now? That’s likely your the simple answer.

If you feel better on 16 mg than on 12 mg, then for heaven’s sake, take 16 mg. Don’t compare your dose to anyone else’s dose. What works for someone else won’t necessarily work for you. Please, keep that in mind.

As for multiple day dosing, sub’s mean half-life is 37 hours, so unless you’re taking it for pain, there’s really no reason to dose multiple times daily. In fact it will feed your addictive behavior of taking something when you "feel like you NEED something". That’s the exact opposite of what we need. That’s in fact why the half-life is so long – so we can take it once a day and forget about it. In some countries, patients take it only every other day. So try to stick to once daily dosing, because you’ll need to break that habit anyway, may as well do it sooner rather than later.

I hope this helps. Good luck.

Visting my doctor, i need help

Author: amber4.14.11

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:11 pm

maybe call the clinic, and ‘anonymously’ ask what happens if someone on the suboxone program tests positive for weed? Just say your curious, give a fake name if you have to.
then, maybe you’ll know…

cuz Id find out first if they will in fact kick you out, for a ‘first time offense’

My doctor uses the ‘three strikes’ rule. but he already gave me a ‘strike’ once for not having ALL my meds with me. I only carry the days worth at a time, just because. and the clinic had me come in early, cuz he was taking vacation.

ANYWAYS, just a thought.

maybe itd be a way to find out, without coming clean just yet

Wondering what the grass looks likes on the other side…

Author: Romeo

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:23 pm

I understand completely when you say, "I don’t even know who I am without being on some kind of mind altering substance….I wonder how different I will be or if I will even have the same personality." I actually remember having that conversation with my wife before I got on Suboxone. There were so many unknowns, I had so much doubt. But, I went ahead and took the plunge anyway and gave Suboxone a shot.

Like you, I had been addicted to many drugs over the years. My active drug addiction phase lasted 25 years. So, you can imagine my complete and utter surprise when I got on Suboxone and my active addiction stopped instantly AND I felt great. I went from buying massive amounts of pain pills daily to buying ZERO pain pills daily, thanks to Suboxone.

To be clear, Suboxone is an opiate, BUT it’s a partial agonist as opposed to pain meds or heroin, which are full agonists. Full agonists get ya high, partial agonists usually don’t. Suboxone is a medication that actually allows you to taper off of it when you’re ready and tapering allows you to escape the vast majority of withdrawal. Most folks simply can not taper off of pain meds, the high drives them to do more and more.

Wondering what the grass looks likes on the other side…

Author: Romeo

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:23 pm

I understand completely when you say, "I don’t even know who I am without being on some kind of mind altering substance….I wonder how different I will be or if I will even have the same personality." I actually remember having that conversation with my wife before I got on Suboxone. There were so many unknowns, I had so much doubt. But, I went ahead and took the plunge anyway and gave Suboxone a shot.

Like you, I had been addicted to many drugs over the years. My active drug addiction phase lasted 25 years. So, you can imagine my complete and utter surprise when I got on Suboxone and my active addiction stopped instantly AND I felt great. I went from buying massive amounts of pain pills daily to buying ZERO pain pills daily, thanks to Suboxone.

To be clear, Suboxone is an opiate, BUT it’s a partial agonist as opposed to pain meds or heroin, which are full agonists. Full agonists get ya high, partial agonists usually don’t. Suboxone is a medication that actually allows you to taper off of it when you’re ready and tapering allows you to escape the vast majority of withdrawal. Most folks simply can not taper off of pain meds, the high drives them to do more and more.