Question about dating while in recovery

Author: tearj3rker

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:26 pm

Yeah it’s a hard one to grapple – when to break the history to someone you’re dating / involved with. They do need to know at some stage. I think there’s no hard and fast answer, because it depends a LOT on the person you’re seeing. You can get a vibe early on, based on their personality, of how accepting they will be of your being in recovery.

It’s strange, but I think as recovering addicts, we are often attracted to people who’ve come up against some kind of adversity in life, even if we don’t know it at the time. You can kind of tell by one’s personality and wisdom whether they’ve had their own life changing experiences that will create a mutual understanding. Ie – When everything a person talks about is superficial and material, it’s a sign for me they haven’t had something shake up their world like we have. And in my experience, they’re the ones least accepting of a history like our own.

On the other hand, I don’t think it’s good for us folk to just be happy with anyone who will accept us and our past. There were two times when I started seeing someone, and on the first date we both put our own histories / insecurities on the table straight up, because we kinda ‘knew’ that we were both messy. Both times it was a relief to find someone as damaged as myself, so we hooked up. And both times we ended up fucking each other up more. Nowadays I’m CAREFUL of that. Anyone I feel comfortable blurting my history out to on a first date = caution.

These days I only consider telling someone if it’s obvious we both like each other. And even then I’d wait until the moment where we both feel comfortable putting our baggage on the table. That time usually comes along at some point, as usually I’m attracted to those that have their own baggage as well. ‘like attracts like’ kinda thing. If that time doesn’t come I try to wait until there’s some feelings invested in each other – enough to make her see beyond my past. But there’s only so long a guy can stay ‘mysterious’ before it gets frustrating.

12-step groups have this idea that you MUST stay out of relationships in early recovery. This makes sense if you’re hanging around other addicts, as they are. But IMO one of the best things for a person’s recovery can be finding someone who is a happy, loving, understanding and healthy partner. Whether they have a ‘history’ like our own doesn’t matter as much as how stable they are. The relationships we have mould who we are and if we settle for someone unhealthy, we move backwards. If we work a bit harder to find someone that’s better, loving them and being loved can be healing for each other. Even if the relationship dissolves, we’re often better people for it.

Places to meet? I was reading an article the other day saying online dating is the second most common way of meeting people these days after being introduced by friends. I’m not a big fan of the idea, but my qualms are mainly philosophical. Plus I knew SO MANY people in NA who were hooked on those sites at unhealthy levels. IMO it’d be best to get out more, go to lectures / book launches / classes / exercise groups. There are online sites that organise social groups / outings – like weekly scrabble / chess / coffee groups, Zumba and all that stuff.

Walking a dog is a good way to meet people if you like walking.

Good luck!

Anita Journal

Author: Anita

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:37 pm

Hi everyone,
Just want to post how my taper is going. It is going well and much of that is from what I have learned on this site. I am now down to 3.75 mg a day and so far it has been very comfortable. Once I switched from the film to the tabs, things got so much better. As I said in another thread, I wasn’t absorbing the film at all and also I had developed some sort of oral infection from the film. I’m making really small decreases of 0.25 mg about every 2 weeks so that averages out to 0.5 a month. I’m not in a hurry and so far, I’ve had few symptoms and the worst of what I had- the ringing in my ears and the tremors have greatly diminished. I know the hard part is yet to come, but I am encouraged. The down side is that I have a pain condition and just not sure yet what I’ll be on for pain that will be better for me. So just wanted to update. Life is a little calmer right now and again, thanks for the support. I hope this journal will help others too.
Anita

9 months off after 5 years on, my experience

Author: tearj3rker

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:16 am

Maryland410 wrote:
I thought I was in love with a girl who i intended to be with for the rest of my life and when I got clean I just simply did not feel the same as much as I wanted to.!

Can relate a lot to that. You probably WERE in love with her. It’s just when we’re on a drug like Suboxone, or any mind-altering drug for that matter, we really are different people. The person you were on Sub likely loved your girl. Only when you came off it, you changed into the YOU without opioids in your system. You would likely have had to learn to love your girl all over again, or moved on.

I know this all too well. Having bipolar, I’m virtually a different person from week to week. I can come to love someone when my mood is a certain way, but feel totally detached and attracted to another kind of person completely a week/day/month later. It can make things hard.

You are doing REALLY well. Keep it up man, and don’t lose sight of the prize! A real good, healthy rewarding and happy life for yourself is there if you keep putting in the work.

Starting back on suboxone after surgery

Author: Chels28

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:57 am

I had my gall bladder taken out 3 days ago. Prior to my surgery my sub doc put me on percocet 10mg every 4 hours I was taking 2 1/2 strips of suboxone a day and took that up until the 2 days prior to the surgery the first 2 days with taking the percocet every 4 hours was fine I didn’t feel the greatest but it was definitly tolerable. The after my surgery I was in alot of pain right after they gave me 4 shots of fentynal and it barely worked but by the next day was feeling better until the afternoon I after taking my percocet 2-3 hours later was feeling withdraw and then by the next day which was today I was going through withdraw after 1-2 hours after taking the percocet. I’m pretty sure I’m going through withdraw from the suboxone, But my question is I am ready to start my suboxone I’m not in to much pain anymore and still have plenty of pills left but I dont want to keep taking them just to try and help my withdraw a little bit, I feel awful and am ready to be back on the sub since I have only been taking the pain meds for 5 days how long should I wait after the percocet to start the sub has anyone done this before, Should I wait the 12-24 hours or would a little sooner be ok since after like 6 hours of not taking anything I’m in pretty bad withdraw but I’m trying to hold off for at least 12 hours, do you think that will be enough?

Very Good Provider MD in Lone Tree, CO

Author: Amy-Work In Progress

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:27 am

I would like to recommend a doctor in the Denver metro area, who is accepting new suboxone patients. The doctor’s name is Andreas Eldrich and the name of his practice is Heritage Hills Family Medicine. The phone number is 303-792-3333. Website: 3w’s dot hhfamilymedicine dot com.

The office has Dr. Edrich and his P.A. Nicci. They run an unusual practice in that one of them is always on call, and they provide family medical care along with suboxone treatment. Dr. Eldrich accepts many kinds of insurance for all of his patients.

I have never felt disrespected at all by him or any of the staff there. Dr. Eldrich is very understanding toward his sub patients. He does a great job of explaining what suboxone is and what it does. This was especially helpful for my husband who didn’t know anything about sub. He draws a good mu receptor!

Although I haven’t relapsed since starting sub, it wouldn’t necessarily get me kicked off his program if I did. He seems very collaborative and willing to work with you. His plan is to have me on 16 mgs for 6 months and then start tapering. He does understand that some need to be on sub for life, but his opinion is that I can taper off.

If anyone needs more information or has any questions, feel free to ask. It breaks my heart that some of you have to deal with condescending, cash-hungry, and poorly informed doctors. I think this guy is a keeper.

surgery story

Author: Amy-Work In Progress

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:20 am

Hi Dragracer,

Congratulations on making it through surgery and recovery without enduring too much pain, and on getting back on sub! Could you clarify something for me? You said that you need to make sure your pain level is low enough before you switch back or your opiates might not work well enough. Are you talking about the recovery period after surgery? You’re saying that if your pain level hasn’t returned to a low enough level, the suboxone won’t work? As in, it won’t stop your cravings?

I agree with you that this is a stellar forum!

Amy