Author: Romeo
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:17 am
Dang it dude, you’re just kicking butt!! I’m stunned that you already dropped your evening dose, you’re like a machine!!
I hope things keep moving along nicely for ya.
You haven’t had any more contact with your "neighbor" lately, have you…..you’re still doing good?
Author: jonathanm1978
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:47 am
I think it’s true to an extent. The temptation will be there, waiting for weak moments in life to attack..the urge may not always defeat our willpower, but that doesn’t mean that the brain won’t always be able to give you the coping mechanisms needed, and that’s where I believe keeping it as a back-thought comes in handy. It’s the same for alcoholics, they will always be reminded of their easy access to what brought them down…and must be vigilant in keeping their mind dead-set against it…
Whatever the label or term we put on it, it’s all the same destructive behavior. It leads us down an endless road of problems, from relationship and family to dealings with people who are in the supply chain..whether doctor shopping or buying on the street. It’s not really what you deem necessary to call it as much as it is the way you deal with the aftermath of it.
When I discuss my history with someone, especially someone I could potentially help, I still use the terminology..and I point blank say that "I’m an addict."
No, I’m not actively seeking, but I’m also not going to ‘try it out and see’ if I still face the urges if I don’t have the meds that I take. I don’t think it’s something that just goes away..and we will always see reminders that give us subtle motives to use as excuses. Sure, I’d love to just stop..would love to quit suboxone…but I have too much that makes me realize that if I did, it would only be a matter of time before I ruined it all..because upcoming dental (MAJOR DENTAL) work is going to be in the near future…and that’s a big part of how I realized that I loved the opiate effect, when I had my wisdom teeth removed via oral surgery back in 2002 or 2003.
It’s sorta a hard topic..I don’t like labeling myself as such…but I don’t like knowing that I’m not in control either..and i know that as strong as I am with intelligence, there’s still something out there that can wreck ALL of that..and it doesn’t take any long-term amount of time for it to do so.
Author: Beathesedemons
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:13 am
Hello.
I have been on 2 subs a day for 3 months and have been slowly taking less. . Any advice on how to be most comfortable while doing so and timeline suggestions? Also I’ve read conflicting things on taking xanax with sub..but it really helps..can someone help me out with how safe it is and safe amount and how to best do it? Any help would be wonderful..thanks.
Author: hatmaker510
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:15 am
FarFrom: You’ve been given great advice already. Ladder is an awesome person to address your position and I second everything she told you.
I just wanted to touch on something about long term sub patients, like you both. Lots of people like to opine that it’s going to be harder for people who’ve been on sub for years and years. But on the other hand there’s Dr. Junig’s theory that by being on sub that long you’ll actually be BETTER prepared to live life sober. You had that much longer to prepare for life without intoxicating drugs along with the help of suboxone. I look at it like you used crutches while your broken leg healed instead of going right out again on a broken bone. So now when then time comes to run on that broken leg in a race, guess who’s better prepared? The one who let that leg heal properly….it’s one way of looking at it for me.
I think you’ll do great! Keep us posted.
Author: ArtsyAngi
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:11 pm
I am sooo glad I found the forum! Not too many people in my life understand what we go through. For the first time in a loooong time im excited about my future which I know is going to be sooo bright.
Author: koval115
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:04 pm
| The Captain wrote: |
| (since i’m new, it won’t let me link bc of spammers, but just google "suboxone alcoholic solutions" or I’ll detail the method myself here and edit this when it will let me link)
Have you guys seen this? Its about making an alcoholic solution of buprenorphine and having a higher bioavailability and making solutions for titrating your dose to sub mg levels. Some studies say that the BA for an alcoholic solution is close to 70% higher than tablets alone. Bioavailability 40-50% (sublingual, from ethanolic solution) 35-40% (sublingual, high-dose tablet) ~50% (transdermal) ~50-60% (intranasal) The bioavailability from sublingual pills is very low, usually like 30-35%. The sublingual films is a little higher. But I can say for sure this method works…imagine getting 2x or more use from your suboxone! This uses ABSOLUTELY MINUSCULE amounts of ethanolic solutions (high-proof rum or vodka). Please don’t confuse this with combining suboxone with alcohol in any way. We are talking some .25ML which is a few drops, not actually drinking alcohol. It’s a well known fact in medicine that alcoholic (specifically ethanol) solutions increases the permeability of the mucous membrane under the tongue. In the 1st link and throughout the thread there are detailed methods of doing this both with the film and pills. And whats more, you can make a larger solution for tapering to sub mg doses. This makes titrating you dose easy, and with the increased bioavailability you can make your suboxone last way longer. It’s also beneficial bc if you use alcohol in a solution for long term use it won’t degrade or become infected with bacteria. One month of Rx suboxone film (for me 60) can last me like nearly a year and half using this method. I’m down to less than 1mg/day. Please guys, if you’d like to know more, check out the link at the top, or just ask! It really works! And good luck to all folks tapering. It can be done. I’ve been using opiates for over a decade and had a tolerance that only 100mg of methadone could touch…and now I’m skipping days and down to a tiny tiny dose. There is hope |
this is the way u can make transdermal paths works faster. just put piece of path into vodka for night, in the moarning just shake it, take out rest of path, spill mixture on cottonwool and put under ur tongue for 20-25 minutes. if u want to know more about transdermal paths write pm:)
Author: sweet16
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:36 pm
Be careful of precipitated w/d taking sub too soon after taking full agonist opiates. You will be sorry. Google precipitated withdrawal & suboxone. Good luck
Author: tearj3rker
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:56 pm
It’s not unheard of. Bupe is less predictable than the other opioids with its withdrawal. Some people slide off low doses with next to zero withdrawal. Others aren’t so fortunate. You may be one of the lucky ones.
It’s quite common to start feeling withdrawal around day 3-4 as well. So if you make it through the next couple of days withdrawal free, then you’re probably in for a cruisy ride in the short term. The challenge in this game is never the withdrawal though really.
I think it depends a lot on how fast you metabolise bupe. I burn through my bupe quite fast. If I miss my evening dose, I can start feeling withdrawals by the next morning. I seem to burn through bupe like it’s methadone.
Author: Stargazer
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:28 pm
105 mils x 2 per/day, or 500mils twice a day, is not gonna make much of a differance if your body is overloaded already, chance.
Had four years of methadone myself, and it never stopped me craving, searching for the right dose(more), or using anything else I could get my hands on. So rather a chemical to stop the crave to get to a place where I don’t crave, i.e. being whacked, I’ve got to learn live with the crave.
Ripped up hearts are part of the MMT, territory, so your Doc’s in the know, especially if you shoot take home doses!
Author: tearj3rker
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:49 pm
Abuse.
Once that abusive dynamic is alive in a relationship it’s nigh impossible to kill. An abusive person can’t fix themselves while they remain in the abusive relationship. So the best way to help him is to leave him. They can only work on themselves when they’re alone. And it’s a lot of hard work on their part that takes years. So if they call up in two weeks begging for forgiveness, they ain’t fixed yet! They just wanna relapse.
They hate themselves so much they can’t live with themselves, so they find a woman to throw their self-hate onto. The painkillers may have drowned out his self-hate and made him tolerable for a while, but now he’s on a program his behaviours are showing.
They really need to start dating more Germain Greer feminazi types to put them in their place. But they never go for those women, of course.