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Time to quit. Need advice!

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Author: Far_From_free

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:30 pm

Thanks again everybody, really good info here. I do hope Dr. Junigs right, and that I may be better off because of the amount of time (8 years) I was prescribed Sub for. I do feel I’m ready to quit and live sober. With the exception of the Sub, i have been sober for over 5 years.

Although, my first 3 years on sub I didn’t really understand the whole sober thing to well.
I wasn’t quite convinced I was still and addict and thought Maybe I could still drink once and a while. Then I thought I could drink all the time.. And if I was drinking, why not smoke some pot too. Well, now that I was drinking and smoking pot, I might as well do other drugs on the weekends. As you probibly guessed, that didn’t quite work out for me. So I went into a Program for a few months and got my self back on track with just the Sub. And I can honestly say I havent slipped up since.

I like the reference to a pair a crutches, that makes sense.

On a different note, I dropped down to .25mg yesterday and today. I did the liquid taper method and It worked good. I have been yawning, sneezing and slightly uneasy all day long, so it must be working. I’ll try to keep my dose this low untill I jump off on Febuary 26th. Maybe even drop it down another little bit. Wish me luck.

Time to quit. Need advice!

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Author: Far_From_free

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:30 pm

Thanks again everybody, really good info here. I do hope Dr. Junigs right, and that I may be better off because of the amount of time (8 years) I was prescribed Sub for. I do feel I’m ready to quit and live sober. With the exception of the Sub, i have been sober for over 5 years.

Although, my first 3 years on sub I didn’t really understand the whole sober thing to well.
I wasn’t quite convinced I was still and addict and thought Maybe I could still drink once and a while. Then I thought I could drink all the time.. And if I was drinking, why not smoke some pot too. Well, now that I was drinking and smoking pot, I might as well do other drugs on the weekends. As you probibly guessed, that didn’t quite work out for me. So I went into a Program for a few months and got my self back on track with just the Sub. And I can honestly say I havent slipped up since.

I like the reference to a pair a crutches, that makes sense.

On a different note, I dropped down to .25mg yesterday and today. I did the liquid taper method and It worked good. I have been yawning, sneezing and slightly uneasy all day long, so it must be working. I’ll try to keep my dose this low untill I jump off on Febuary 26th. Maybe even drop it down another little bit. Wish me luck.

First day off subs

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Author: RockerMom

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:53 pm

Lillyval wrote:
Do you have any Subs left? I did a similar thing, rapidly tapered to 0.5mg and then jumped and felt like shit, and then caved after 3 days. I ended up going back on 0.5mg for close to a month. It was enough to get me through the day, but at the same time it allowed the large amount of Sub I had stacked up in my system to clear out. When I jumped from 0.5mg the second time it was MUCH easier. I felt exhausted and had some chills and stomach issues, but it wasn’t full out WD. It was bearable. The hardest part was that although it wasn’t intense it lasted about 2 1/2 weeks, which felt like forever. And even after that I didn’t feel 100%. But you just have to persevere. And don’t kick yourself for using. At the end of the day we’re still addicts. I have had a couple of opportunities to use painkillers since I have been off, and I took them. So for me I decided I needed outside help or I would be back on that slippery slope. I now go to NA meetings and have a sponsor. Whatever kind of support you can surround yourself with will help. Remember, an addict alone is in bad company.
Best of luck,
Lilly

No, I haven’t had any subs since Sat. I was given 90 of the 8mg films on Dec 3 and have been just cutting down until I couldn’t cut them down any more. You’re absolutely correct, I need some sort of help if I ever want to get clean, really clean. I’ve realized that too late. My doc was just an occupational medicine doc who had fda or whatever permission to write suboxone rx’s, she wasn’t anything more than that. Nothing wrong with that, but I wish she had made me realize like a yr ago that I needed some counseling or whatever along with the subs. All she did was write the script every month and that was it. I’m not stupid and I should’ve known this. Now i’ve got lortabs and I’m already worried about when they run out. It’s crazy. Yeah I’m an addict, I don’t deny it. But 15 years ago when pain clinics popped up everywhere and I could get 180 lorcets, 100 xans and 100 somas every 3 weeks for legit pain that turned into a legit addiction …. I didn’t have the knowledge I have now. Because they just kept refilling and refilling and it took more and more to get high. And I’m a nurse. I should’ve known better.

First day off subs

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Author: RockerMom

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:53 pm

Lillyval wrote:
Do you have any Subs left? I did a similar thing, rapidly tapered to 0.5mg and then jumped and felt like shit, and then caved after 3 days. I ended up going back on 0.5mg for close to a month. It was enough to get me through the day, but at the same time it allowed the large amount of Sub I had stacked up in my system to clear out. When I jumped from 0.5mg the second time it was MUCH easier. I felt exhausted and had some chills and stomach issues, but it wasn’t full out WD. It was bearable. The hardest part was that although it wasn’t intense it lasted about 2 1/2 weeks, which felt like forever. And even after that I didn’t feel 100%. But you just have to persevere. And don’t kick yourself for using. At the end of the day we’re still addicts. I have had a couple of opportunities to use painkillers since I have been off, and I took them. So for me I decided I needed outside help or I would be back on that slippery slope. I now go to NA meetings and have a sponsor. Whatever kind of support you can surround yourself with will help. Remember, an addict alone is in bad company.
Best of luck,
Lilly

No, I haven’t had any subs since Sat. I was given 90 of the 8mg films on Dec 3 and have been just cutting down until I couldn’t cut them down any more. You’re absolutely correct, I need some sort of help if I ever want to get clean, really clean. I’ve realized that too late. My doc was just an occupational medicine doc who had fda or whatever permission to write suboxone rx’s, she wasn’t anything more than that. Nothing wrong with that, but I wish she had made me realize like a yr ago that I needed some counseling or whatever along with the subs. All she did was write the script every month and that was it. I’m not stupid and I should’ve known this. Now i’ve got lortabs and I’m already worried about when they run out. It’s crazy. Yeah I’m an addict, I don’t deny it. But 15 years ago when pain clinics popped up everywhere and I could get 180 lorcets, 100 xans and 100 somas every 3 weeks for legit pain that turned into a legit addiction …. I didn’t have the knowledge I have now. Because they just kept refilling and refilling and it took more and more to get high. And I’m a nurse. I should’ve known better.

? regarding dose equivalents

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Author: subie

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:40 pm

Gday,
According to Dr J in his discussion on Pain Management, once you reach the “Suboxone ceiling"
(( your 99% there at 4 mg’s))
your opiate tolerance is equal to about 60 mg’s Oxy or 90 mgs of Morphine and because of Suboxone’s static tolerance it doesn’t change over time. So, whether you’re on 8 mg’s or 32 mg’s for 2 months or 2 years it doesn’t change. Of course when dealing with pain management there’s other things to consider like the stacking effect and the high receptor affinity of Bup, but as far as tolerance goes I think he pretty much answers your question.
Cheers, Subie

? regarding dose equivalents

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Author: subie

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:40 pm

Gday,
According to Dr J in his discussion on Pain Management, once you reach the “Suboxone ceiling"
(( your 99% there at 4 mg’s))
your opiate tolerance is equal to about 60 mg’s Oxy or 90 mgs of Morphine and because of Suboxone’s static tolerance it doesn’t change over time. So, whether you’re on 8 mg’s or 32 mg’s for 2 months or 2 years it doesn’t change. Of course when dealing with pain management there’s other things to consider like the stacking effect and the high receptor affinity of Bup, but as far as tolerance goes I think he pretty much answers your question.
Cheers, Subie

thanks so much to all of u!!

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Author: lilbda1

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:44 pm

Hi all!! Today i took the dive into my recovery from fairly li.g ht opia te use (12-16 hydo 10s a day). Over the past yr and half i feel into the trap and have hid it from my family. I have 4 young children that look up to me and u all know the shame of knowing ur mistakes and others not. Guilt! Anyhow i ha e been reading these forums and w out the info and love on theae i am not sure i could have ever found the strenght to get my suboxone appointment. For those of u who doubt this approach; i arrived at the clinic at 9am this morning in full withdrawls after 20hrs of forcing myself to stay clean. Now i feel the best i have felt in a long time. Thanks so much to all of u who had the strenght to speak of ur addiction. It sure helped me take the first step.

thanks so much to all of u!!

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Author: lilbda1

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:44 pm

Hi all!! Today i took the dive into my recovery from fairly li.g ht opia te use (12-16 hydo 10s a day). Over the past yr and half i feel into the trap and have hid it from my family. I have 4 young children that look up to me and u all know the shame of knowing ur mistakes and others not. Guilt! Anyhow i ha e been reading these forums and w out the info and love on theae i am not sure i could have ever found the strenght to get my suboxone appointment. For those of u who doubt this approach; i arrived at the clinic at 9am this morning in full withdrawls after 20hrs of forcing myself to stay clean. Now i feel the best i have felt in a long time. Thanks so much to all of u who had the strenght to speak of ur addiction. It sure helped me take the first step.

Optic Neuritis

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Author: scottyh512

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:01 pm

On Sunday January 15, 2012 I developed Optic Neuritis in my Right Eye. Basically it is inflammation of the optic nerve. Vision is severly impared and takes about a month to come back but in some cases not at 100 percent. I have beed on suboxone for almost 4 years and plan on getting off soon (one thing at a time). What I was wanting to know is if anyone has heard of anyone getting this or some sort of ill side effect to their eye sight while taking the medication? Honestly, the only side effects I have are appetite and constipation. Any help/assistance will do.

Scott

Optic Neuritis

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Author: scottyh512

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:01 pm

On Sunday January 15, 2012 I developed Optic Neuritis in my Right Eye. Basically it is inflammation of the optic nerve. Vision is severly impared and takes about a month to come back but in some cases not at 100 percent. I have beed on suboxone for almost 4 years and plan on getting off soon (one thing at a time). What I was wanting to know is if anyone has heard of anyone getting this or some sort of ill side effect to their eye sight while taking the medication? Honestly, the only side effects I have are appetite and constipation. Any help/assistance will do.

Scott