Suboxone: Detox vs. Maintenance (re: Dr. Scanlan’s ideas)

Author: Jimmy

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:51 pm

birdie wrote:
For tearjerker…. I have a buddy in fla that went to dr scanlan. why he rather see someone on meth then sub was put like this or close to it. Meth being a full agonist is safer he feels since the brains receptors are made to accept the meth. Sub being partial, the receptor are not able to adapt, like putting a square peg in a round hole so the brain constantly struggles to maintain homeostasis but is unable.

I totally agree with this. Short back story: I have been using dilaudid to try and get off suboxone. So far so good. I have tapered quite nicely and with no ill effects. Luck being on my side, I also had a tooth pulled the other day which came with a nice script for 30 vikes. Might come in handy when the dilaudid is gone.

My urge to get off suboxone was mainly because now in our state there is a prescription database, and I would prefer my pcp not to know about my sub scripts. My last sub script was last August, being one of those who was prescribed way more than needed so I built up a nice supply.

To throw a wrench in things, I got a letter a couple weeks ago telling me my pain clinic is closing. The only other suboxone choices in my town seem to be the meth clinics.

ANYWAY since starting my dilaudid taper I have been happier, able to work better and longer, and overall a better person to be around. I fully agree that suboxone as a "partial agonist" is completely foreign to our brains and far more damaging than a full agonist. If for whatever reason this taper does not work, I will use methadone. I know suboxone helps many many people stay off street drugs, and I am not arguing that there is not a place for it in treatment. But in my opinion, my brain seems to like things that closely mimic endogenous opioids much better than a foreign substance that just gets stuck in the receptors.

And I have no doubt in the future these days will be looked upon as we now look upon blood letting and other medieval medical practices. Some people are born with defective opioid systems, that’s all there is to it. To not let us legally have substances that closely mimic these opioids will be seen as evil and cruel in the future, I have no doubt about it.

Best to all
J