Author: raudy1975

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:12 pm

I too got off Opiates with buying Methadone illegally. It is actually fairly common to seek out help on their own (without a doctor) especially when we self medicate so well! anyways…the problem I had was that my methadone dealer disappeared one day and I was stuck without anything. So I went back to my same ways of getting opiates.

So to make sure you have a plan when you take Suboxone, I would go see a doctor so you know that your connect is not going to be gone and lead you to relapse.

And by the way… my family does not know I am taking Suboxone because they think its wrong because they are not educated on the purpose of the medication, so I totally understand the secrecy

Author: tinydancer

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:02 pm

Here is what I would do if I were in your shoes. I would get a letter from your new doctor explaining that you will be starting treatment with them in 3 weeks. I would give the letter to your previous doctor and explain that you need a small refill to hold you over until you’re able to get in with your new doctor. Let them know that you’re not prepared to stop or taper without any current medical supervision for the sake of your health and your unborn baby’s well being.

Your prev doc would have to be a real SOB to not understand this. Follow through again, it can’t hurt..IMO. Fax them.. call them.. email them.. Be persistent and to the point.

Author: tinydancer

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:02 pm

Here is what I would do if I were in your shoes. I would get a letter from your new doctor explaining that you will be starting treatment with them in 3 weeks. I would give the letter to your previous doctor and explain that you need a small refill to hold you over until you’re able to get in with your new doctor. Let them know that you’re not prepared to stop or taper without any current medical supervision for the sake of your health and your unborn baby’s well being.

Your prev doc would have to be a real SOB to not understand this. Follow through again, it can’t hurt..IMO. Fax them.. call them.. email them.. Be persistent and to the point.

Author: OFT

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:03 pm

Thanks for the replies, Glen Ive been following the rules since day one. I have never had a dirty urine for any other substance, and other than not always taking my full dose Ive done everything by the book. I am going to try contacting some other drs in my area, but ive heard for a while now that it is very hard to find a dr because they are already at their limit for patients. I def feel abandoned.. thanks subdoc

Author: OFT

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:03 pm

Thanks for the replies, Glen Ive been following the rules since day one. I have never had a dirty urine for any other substance, and other than not always taking my full dose Ive done everything by the book. I am going to try contacting some other drs in my area, but ive heard for a while now that it is very hard to find a dr because they are already at their limit for patients. I def feel abandoned.. thanks subdoc

Author: OFT

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:23 pm

True 717 I appreciate you sharing your experiences with me. You said you wouldnt recommend it, but it worked for you.. and w/ds only lasted 14 days before you felt normal again.. This is fairly short term withdrawal compared to some of the other stories Ive read from people. Also how low of a dose of sub were you taking before you started the short acting opiates? Id assume part of the reason your withdrawal was more intense as you described it is because you were also experiencing withdrawl from the benzos. Perhaps after the 3 weeks you tapered your morphine/vicoden dose way down for a period of 1 week, your symptoms would have dissapated sooner??

Im really interested in hearing more experiences in long term bupe use, then going back to short acting opiates for a short period, before jumping off. Im curious how long the suboxone will actually stay within your system, and how it affects you after stopping bupe completely and using short acting opiates for a short period (3-4 weeks)..

Glenbee, yes thanks for clearing up PAWS, and precipitated whitdrawal for me. That is exactly what I was speaking of. My head was a bit clouded yesterday with so much stress going on, and I was having troubles explaining myself effectively.
I do recall now reading that taking opiates when you have suboxone in your system wont harm you, as the bupe or naloxone ?? wont allow the opiate onto the receptor. And if you take sub too soon after an opiate, as you explained it will be kicked off the receptor causing the precipitated withdrawals.. Thanks again for clearing that up. Its been such a long time since I read about how this medication actually works I seem to have forgotten many of the important points.
I appreciate the reply, and your advice seems pretty sound to me.. my problem is I dont think Im going to have much luck finding a sub doctor near me, as I have been hearing many people around me complaining for atleast a year now that they are unable to get into the sub program because doctors are full and not taking any patients. People in my age group and perhaps geographical location seem to have all fallen into opiate abuse very early on, and I would absolutely say its a pandemic in my area, and Im sure many other places are quite the same.. These drs are literally making millions at our expense.

Author: OFT

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:23 pm

True 717 I appreciate you sharing your experiences with me. You said you wouldnt recommend it, but it worked for you.. and w/ds only lasted 14 days before you felt normal again.. This is fairly short term withdrawal compared to some of the other stories Ive read from people. Also how low of a dose of sub were you taking before you started the short acting opiates? Id assume part of the reason your withdrawal was more intense as you described it is because you were also experiencing withdrawl from the benzos. Perhaps after the 3 weeks you tapered your morphine/vicoden dose way down for a period of 1 week, your symptoms would have dissapated sooner??

Im really interested in hearing more experiences in long term bupe use, then going back to short acting opiates for a short period, before jumping off. Im curious how long the suboxone will actually stay within your system, and how it affects you after stopping bupe completely and using short acting opiates for a short period (3-4 weeks)..

Glenbee, yes thanks for clearing up PAWS, and precipitated whitdrawal for me. That is exactly what I was speaking of. My head was a bit clouded yesterday with so much stress going on, and I was having troubles explaining myself effectively.
I do recall now reading that taking opiates when you have suboxone in your system wont harm you, as the bupe or naloxone ?? wont allow the opiate onto the receptor. And if you take sub too soon after an opiate, as you explained it will be kicked off the receptor causing the precipitated withdrawals.. Thanks again for clearing that up. Its been such a long time since I read about how this medication actually works I seem to have forgotten many of the important points.
I appreciate the reply, and your advice seems pretty sound to me.. my problem is I dont think Im going to have much luck finding a sub doctor near me, as I have been hearing many people around me complaining for atleast a year now that they are unable to get into the sub program because doctors are full and not taking any patients. People in my age group and perhaps geographical location seem to have all fallen into opiate abuse very early on, and I would absolutely say its a pandemic in my area, and Im sure many other places are quite the same.. These drs are literally making millions at our expense.

Author: Fireman

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:26 pm

If you don’t have a problem with taking it, as far as it being a potential trigger or relapse drug (which you don’t), then do whatever works best for your pain. It’s certainly not a very strong pain killer compared to some, but nonetheless it is still a pain killer and can be enough for some to relapse. I don’t have any experience with it so I can’t give you any insight in that regard but I think you should do what you think is the most effective. Just be honest with yourself and if you feel like you start to develop an issue with it, then take care of it as soon as you suspect something.

Just out of curiosity, how does suboxone work for pain?

Author: Fireman

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:26 pm

If you don’t have a problem with taking it, as far as it being a potential trigger or relapse drug (which you don’t), then do whatever works best for your pain. It’s certainly not a very strong pain killer compared to some, but nonetheless it is still a pain killer and can be enough for some to relapse. I don’t have any experience with it so I can’t give you any insight in that regard but I think you should do what you think is the most effective. Just be honest with yourself and if you feel like you start to develop an issue with it, then take care of it as soon as you suspect something.

Just out of curiosity, how does suboxone work for pain?

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