Monthly Archives: February 2013

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Author: rule62

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:45 pm

Good point Tndb. I contributed my low levels to getting older. My levels started dropping after I hit 40. Like you I also started the Androgel and man ‘o man did it help! Felt like I was a teenager again. Then of course it all leveled out and some normalcy returned.

IMO, Sub has nothing to do with my low testosterone. And until there are some studies saying the opposite then that’s my stand. People will blame whatever is wrong with them on whatever new medication they started. I’m not saying they’re wrong, but it’s still too early to tell. And with a lot of afflictions people blame on Suboxone, it may in fact be the naloxone, not the Buprenorphine in the medication. For some reason that is never discussed.

Funny you mention sex drive and Sub. Whenever I stopped my Hydrocodone during my addiction years my sex drive would come roaring back about 3-5 days in. Yea, funny thing, you feel like shit but are as horny as hell! Then you break down and take your pills again and viola, no romping in the hay until the next time you quit. One could say it’s natures way of addicts not being able to reproduce.

Now years later my T levels are good, but now I’m on Effexor. Once again, it goes away, but not completely, thank you very much. TMI once again.

We should have a Men’s section and a Women’s section to talk about this stuff. Hmmm, maybe something to consider in the future.

That’s my 2¢ and I’m stickin’ with it. Laughing

Going back to opiates to get off Suboxone

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Author: Icaras

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:56 pm

OFT wrote:
True 717 I appreciate you sharing your experiences with me. You said you wouldnt recommend it, but it worked for you.. and w/ds only lasted 14 days before you felt normal again.. This is fairly short term withdrawal compared to some of the other stories Ive read from people. Also how low of a dose of sub were you taking before you started the short acting opiates? Id assume part of the reason your withdrawal was more intense as you described it is because you were also experiencing withdrawl from the benzos. Perhaps after the 3 weeks you tapered your morphine/vicoden dose way down for a period of 1 week, your symptoms would have dissapated sooner??

Im really interested in hearing more experiences in long term bupe use, then going back to short acting opiates for a short period, before jumping off. Im curious how long the suboxone will actually stay within your system, and how it affects you after stopping bupe completely and using short acting opiates for a short period (3-4 weeks)..

Glenbee, yes thanks for clearing up PAWS, and precipitated whitdrawal for me. That is exactly what I was speaking of. My head was a bit clouded yesterday with so much stress going on, and I was having troubles explaining myself effectively.
I do recall now reading that taking opiates when you have suboxone in your system wont harm you, as the bupe or naloxone ?? wont allow the opiate onto the receptor. And if you take sub too soon after an opiate, as you explained it will be kicked off the receptor causing the precipitated withdrawals.. Thanks again for clearing that up. Its been such a long time since I read about how this medication actually works I seem to have forgotten many of the important points.
I appreciate the reply, and your advice seems pretty sound to me.. my problem is I dont think Im going to have much luck finding a sub doctor near me, as I have been hearing many people around me complaining for atleast a year now that they are unable to get into the sub program because doctors are full and not taking any patients. People in my age group and perhaps geographical location seem to have all fallen into opiate abuse very early on, and I would absolutely say its a pandemic in my area, and Im sure many other places are quite the same.. These drs are literally making millions at our expense.

You have been on sub for long as I have, in my experience the sub is NOT stripping any full agonists off but ironically it’s the other way around, this somewhat worries me, because, since I have been on bup for a long while I have built tolerance to it, even to the extent of full agonist makingt it through the bup, this should not happen right? well to me it is..Don’t get me wrong I have NO opiate problem at all, but whenever I have taken some opiates such as codeine, tramadol and others for pain issues I always felt the affects, even euphoric, why is this happening? if this is the case then in my opinion it will take a hell of a long time to be on a full agonist to heal from the sub… Sub has become my normality, I don’t get high off it as I use to, even on the same dose, again this scares me.. Hell I taken low dose naltrexone the last couple of days and even from that I am feeling endorphin boost, that should not happen right? you cant mix subutex and naltrexone right? I merely licked a 50mg naltrexone tab. and then next day felt as though am naturally high, is this a good or a bad thing? can LDN help you taper off the bup? why is the LDN breaking through the sub?

I am under the assumption that taking anything for long as we have you can built tolerance, when that happens it makes it even more hard to get off them and feel normal..I would rather much feel some effects from the subutex even if that means some withdrawals because it will tell me am withdrawing from the sub, it will tell me the sub is blocking opiates and tell me it won’t be very long to get off..

Does anybody think building tolerance to sub to the extent of opiates breaking through is a bad sign in regards to withdrawals and PAWS? does it mean I will have long wds and paws when I quit sub? I know from a short term perspective it seems if opiates are breaking through its a good sign but doesn’t that actually show a negative sign in the long run? that sub has been saturated n the receptors so much that anything else that goes still produces effects, such as opiates, so to undo this will take a long time for the brain to go back to its original state, which, is when your brain has been re-wired to the extent that if you took sub you will feel sick, and if you took opiates the sub will block it, for the brain to go back to that state one will have to go through long withdrawal and paws am assuming?

On the notion of taking full agonists to get off sub I know a couple who did that route and claimed it had no affect at all and made their withdrawals worse, more so when they stopped the full agonist after 2 months or so. I too was thinking of going this route but am hearing more horror stories then positive ones, now it’s different for someone whos taken bup for 5 months but taking it for long as we have I don’t think couple of months on a full agonists would be any beneficial at all. Even when I have just said opiates are breaking through the sub in my receptors, that just simply tells me in my opinion that I will have to take a opiate for 8 months and over for the brain to re-adjust, because I should not be feeling opiates while on sub should I? so the more I take opiates and not take sub I will have go through a period, if it took this long for me to build tolerance to the sub then dont you think it will take much longer then couple of months to undo all this? and that means going through the transitional period i.e inc withdrawals, paws, depression bla bla.

Why did low dose naltrexone boost me even when am on sub

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Author: Icaras

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:18 pm

The last few days I licked off a 50mg tab of naltrexone, just a speck of dust, I assume this might be 0.5 or somwhere around there? probably ultra low dose naltrexone, and guess what? the next day I felt a BOOST, like my endorphins raised, I felt something I have not felt in a long time, especially not while on sub, now I just read its dangerous to mix naltrexone with sub? but I merely licked a speck of the naltrexone and already felt the affects.

I do feel somewhat foogy too but I feel decent, it even stopped the sweating, which I get when I wake up, I am on a low dose of sub, even if you call it a low dose (1mg or 1.5mg) but even though I feel decent am still worried that if LDN and opiates/full agoniusts are breaking through it might mean my tolerance to sub has been built up so much that it will take me several months or even years to re-adjust? to go back the point where sub blocks opiates?

If its taken me this long not to feel the highs and affects of sub as I use to a year back, does that mean it will take me equal amount of time to undo all this? which is 2-3 years? which will include going through some depression and emotional stability?


Is it possible you can taper sub with low dose neltrexone usually when I wake up I can feel some tiny mild symptoms such as sweats, body aches, low mood etc but the last 2 days since I have taken LDN or ULDN I did not feel these symptoms and if anything improved my mood,

So is it true that LDN does raise endorphins after all? but I was under the impression that only happens AFTER stopping opiates and sub, so if its happening to me now does that mean my tolerance to sub to the extent of LDN breaking through is a negative sign? in regards to recovery, paws, wds, re-wiring the brain etc.

does this mean LDN can be helpful in tapering off sub? is LDN meant to break though sub anyway?

Is it a bad thing taking LDN with low dose of sub to taper off sub?

I don’t plan on taking LDN everyday, just here and there to help me taper off sub, if its keeping my mood alive surely it’s a positive thing in regards to tapering off sub at least?

Suboxone script discount!

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Author: thumper

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:56 pm

Sorry if it’s inappropriate to ask questions on this thread, I’m still new here.

Does this coupon work for non-insured patients? I got a prescription from my doctor for a new medication (not related to sub) and it came with a 50 co-pay card. But it would only be applied if you were an insured patient. They wouldn’t honor it for me.

Is this the same type of thing?

Does building tolerance to sub mean opiates break through

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Author: Icaras

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:38 pm

Why do I feel taking sub for me feels my normality? is this a bad sign as well? in the past I use to feel sub was not my normality and could remember what normal felt like, but now it feels sub is part of me, as though its my brain, and I can’t function if I don’t have a brain, these kind of feelings scare me. I would very much prefer to feel some mental symptoms of clarity whereby you know in the back of your mind when your taking sub your binding something to the receptors..

Hell I would not mind if I felt affects such as withdrawals (mental) while am tapering, that would tell me ma healing and getting rid of the sub, but am not even feeling that, never have for couple of years, now, perhaps when I continue to taper down further I may feel mental clarity? feel as though am coming back to my old self? as of now I don’t even know what normal felt like, it’s felt as though I’ve been taking sub for all my life, I don’t want those feelings, because it just stresses me that it may take a hell of a long time recovering or permanent damage? at least if you know you dont feel normal on sub and feel highs and can remember normality round the corner, then it gives you a sign that you still got a big chance to recover quickly, but when I try to remember days and things prior to my sub use I just feel I was on sub those days well..

2 years ago I could feel some emotions, mental clarity and if I thought about the past I could feel it was without the sub, even feel high, but now I don’t get none of that.

Is it possible that when I continue to taper down further I may feel some clarity? fog lifting? body and mind healing? feeling back to my old self? I heard what with the half life of sub you don’t feel these things unless your a month or 2 away from sub, so tapering may only cut down the severity of pshycal withdrawals, but duration and mental foggyness will do its own thing whether you taper or not.

Suboxone script discount!

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Author: thumper

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:56 pm

Sorry if it’s inappropriate to ask questions on this thread, I’m still new here.

Does this coupon work for non-insured patients? I got a prescription from my doctor for a new medication (not related to sub) and it came with a 50 co-pay card. But it would only be applied if you were an insured patient. They wouldn’t honor it for me.

Is this the same type of thing?

About to make the CRAWL off of Sub SCARED!

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Author: tinydancer

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:22 pm

Romeo– I love me some alabama shakes. I saw them live last summer, good stuff. "You ain’t alone" and "I found you" are a couple of my favorites.

Salem – I was sick three times this winter, back to back and it was brutal. There were times I felt my spirit was broken, not gonna lie. It’s a special kind of suffering to be going through opiate w/d and being very sick. I’ve heard some people say that being sick helps take your mind off not feeling well, in general, but it made it worse for me. I feel your pain. My only suggestion is to use OTC cold/ flu meds. I tried to be a hero and tough it out the first couple of bouts of sickness and I realized I wasn’t doing myself any favors.

Now I am fully stocked with every kind of cold/ flu remedy, both holistic and drugstore crap. I used it all this last time around and I was able to lay around cozy, watching TV.. I wished I would have done this earlier.

HANG IN THERE.. Like Romeo posted, Hold on. LOL