WHY SICK

Author: tearj3rker

Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:53 pm

For a few days, try not spitting your sub out. I found that when I spat my Sub, I actually absorbed significantly less than I would have if I swallowed it after it dissolved. But spitting sub is a handy way to isolate if naloxone is playing a role.

I’m unsure if naloxone would be your problem. Any naloxone side-effects are mostly experienced shortly after dosing – ie in the first hour. And allergic reactions to naloxone get WORSE after dosing, and worse when the dose is increased.

But it sounds like your problems get worse leading up to your morning dose – ie when there isn’t enough buprenorphine in your body. Almost the opposite timing to naloxone problems.

That being said, a wise doctor would trial Subutex just to cancel out the naloxone variable. But this rarely happens unfortunately. Confused

Naloxone side-effect / allergic reactions:

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Possible side effects include: change in mood, increased sweating, nausea, nervousness, restlessness, trembling, vomiting, allergic reactions such as rash or swelling, dizziness, fainting, fast or irregular pulse, flushing, headache, heart rhythm changes, seizures, sudden chest pain.

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Naloxone allergies do occur and can be life threatening. Seek immediate medical intervention if you develop symptoms of naloxone allergy such as hives, swelling of the face or hands, tingling around the lips and tongue, or difficulty breathing.

40hrs into WD. Should I take sub if feel better today

Author: Hlpplz123

Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:29 pm

Went ahead and took another 3 rd of subox film about 11 hrs aftr my first dose and continue ti feel good. I can sit up an watch TV. Have been able to eat. Feel I should ivshould be able to get a restful night deep for the first time in 2 days. Just trying all keeps goin smooth as I have a professional job to deal w/. Thank god myvwife was away for the wknd so I could curl up and die and recover. Thanks for everyones input. I’m so excited to b done and will never forget the suffering or the thousands of dollars I’ve wasted on this stupid shit. No regrets. Just move on and don’t look back

OKAY! At .125 now, no looking back!!

Author: laddertipper

Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:31 pm

sweet16 wrote:
Well guys, I split my .25 dose into twice daily for about a week or so…Then after a few days I decided to skip my evening dose every other night. I have not taken it now for 2 nights. I have decided, after reading the guys post where he jumped w/o a parachutte. (lol) I can skip this evening dose indeffinately. I feel pretty good (especially after reading his stuff …man) I have not taken it in 2 nights. I wake up just fine and I know I can do this. So this makes my dose at .125 daily… I will more than likely stay here for a week or two if need be then split this dose in half for another week or 2 then se la vie!!! Im looking forward to not having to bother with the small shit. Thanks everyone for every word of advise and all the encouragement… BLESSINGS ya all>

Woot-Woot!!! You are SO DARN CLOSE!!! You’re almost done!!!! I know everyone is different, but for me, the end was not that tough. I think once you are so far beneath the ceiling but are okay, you can kinda sail through the rest.

You so have this one, sister. I’m really proud of you for sticking with something like this. Aren’t you impressed with your dedication??

laddertipper

I need a doctor in the west hollywood area, please help!

Author: jrotheman

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:33 am

Hi. ive been smoking h for 3 months everyday. if i dont smoke, i get sick. its as simple as that. i dont smoke to get high anymore, rather just to not feel sick. so, ive been hearing great things about suboxen and how it can work wonders for who someone has been using for less than 6 months and for someone who never has injected (like me). i want to stop using h so badly, and i randomly came across this board. i dont have that much money, so i was wondering if anybody knew of any clinics or doctors or places in the west hollywood, hollywood, los angeles area to get suboxen or to talk to someone about getting it. any tips or advice would be greatly appreciated. i want to stop using so badly, but the withdrawals are so bad, i just need help !! thank you all so much for what any kind of response.

need advice about suboxen, want to quit smoking h (la, ca.)

Author: jrotheman

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:35 am

king h for 3 months everyday. if i dont smoke, i get sick. its as simple as that. i dont smoke to get high anymore, rather just to not feel sick. so, ive been hearing great things about suboxen and how it can work wonders for who someone has been using for less than 6 months and for someone who never has injected (like me). i want to stop using h so badly, and i randomly came across this board. i dont have that much money, so i was wondering if anybody knew of any clinics or doctors or places in the west hollywood, hollywood, los angeles area to get suboxen or to talk to someone about getting it. any tips or advice would be greatly appreciated. i want to stop using so badly, but the withdrawals are so bad, i just need help !! thank you all so much for what any kind of response.

Setting myself free

Author: Amy-Work In Progress

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:40 am

Isn’t it such a relief? Weren’t you relieved when you finally admitted your problem to other people? I’m so glad that people responded well to you and were immediately supportive. I had a similar experience, in that I received a lot of grace and support. When I reached out to that first friend and asked her for help, I cried in fear, shame, and sorrow. But I also cried in plain relief. The fact that I wasn’t alone in knowing about my addiction anymore was priceless.

I started suboxone 4 months ago. I’m supposed to start tapering the end of April. The thought of cutting back is a little scary, but I’m also not adamant that I ever have to quit. I know that I can use suboxone as a tool whenever I need it.

Welcome to this forum! I have found the people here to be informative, caring, and supportive. I plan to stay here long past the time I stop suboxone, if I do.

Amy

Additional Benefits from Suboxone in Pain

Author: honeywhite

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:11 am

Since the age of 13, I have been taking opiates IN MODERATION for chronic pain. I started with morphine (and the occasional hydromorphone), and since an MVA approximately three years ago (I am now 19), this was briefly supplemented with oxycodone. Once again, it must be emphasised that my opiate use was and is firmly in the responsible zone.

As someone who has been on every opiate available, I have formed preferences as to which is best, and I flatly refuse to take others. The classic opiates are the best; these include (dia)morphine, hydromorphone, oxycodone, and fentanyl, although I will not take fentanyl patches due to the O/D risk. I will not take pethidine (demerol) or anileridine (leritine) for their neurotoxicity or tramadol or tapentadol for their thymoleptic (SSRI) activity. I have taken methadone for cough that would not go away and later suffered my first and last episode of drug withdrawal; I liked methadone but hated the very long withdrawal period. I have experience with ketobemidone (ketogan), dextromoramide (palfium), and dipipanone (diconal), but none beats the classic opiates.

I was referred to a doctor who treats primarily addiction cases, but this fellow (who I shall call Dr Smith, because that’s his name Very Happy ) agreed to treat my pain even though no addiction existed, then or now. He is a certified neurologist BTW. His favourite opioids, in order of preference, are buprenorphine and hydromorphone. Score! I originally insisted on hydromorphone, my favourite opioid. However, Dr Smith refused to supply it unless buprenorphine was first trialled, and I was quickly started on 14-16 mg of Suboxone.

Now, let it here be said that, in the UK, Suboxone (or a version thereof) is used to treat pain, not just the patches. For marketing reasons, the pain version is called TEMGESIC and is priced lower than SUBOXONE. Temgesic is available in 200 µg, 400 µg, and 2 mg versions; Suboxone is available in 400 µg, 2 mg, and 8 mg versions. Both contain the same ingredients in the same ratios: 4:1 buprenorphine/naloxone. The naloxone is included, not as common myth has us believe, so as to discourage abuse by the intravenous route, but to discourage the primary side-effect of opioids (included in morphine and in oxycodone for the same reasons), namely, difficulties in the lower digestive tract. This is due to buprenorphine binding almost irreversibly to receptors; naloxone will not dislodge it in any way approaching reliable (more on this later). For pain, Temgesic is taken four times a day; it is favoured especially in cases of laryngeal malignancy. Canadian doctors have not yet learned of this excellent use of buprenorphine and provide it for that most insidious killer, addiction, only.

Except Dr Smith, apparently. He put me on buprenorphine for my pain, and it has quickly become my opiate OF CHOICE. Sure, it might not offer instant relief, but I’d much rather relief that lasts. Dr Smith, however, was ignorant of the appropriate manner to dose Suboxone in chronic pain; he prescribed it to be used in the time-honoured protocol for addiction management: once per day, supervised. I had issue with this and will now be permitted to dose it in the British fashion, four times per day, self-supervised. This allows for dose variation, which Dr Smith dislikes intensely, but I favour (narcotics are addictive, after all, and it is nice to take a holiday once in a while). My prescribed dose is 14-16 mg, but I don’t take this much as a rule.

There’s a bit of a problem, though. Buprenorphine is an excellent anti-depressant and anxiolytic. It is better than morphine and oxycodone in this respect, and it rivals hydromorphone, my formerly favourite opiate, in its characteristic euphoria. One part of me likes, nay, LOVES this. No aggression, no anxiety, sleep better, driving skills improved. I haven’t ever felt better. However, a part of me hates feeling better. Somehow I feel like it’s a sin to feel this happiness, although it differs in no way from the happiness of the common man. I wake up feeling fine, too. Then I read the horror stories of withdrawal and on a recent trip to Finland saw the sadness of being a slave to the familiar white hexagons… heroin has been displaced by buprenorphine, and now I know why.

I am on pain blockers (injectable Marcaine) and on toradol, an oral NSAID. What do I do to handle my pain and depression? Should I listen to my instincts and take buprenorphine, the fix for my troubles? Or do I clench my teeth and live through this shit? Toradol is known to RAPE the kidneys, and I’m not too sure the Marcaine is a perfectly healthy solution either.

There is obviously abuse liability with Suboxone but I have not caved in at all. Buprenorphine is an irreversible agonist/antagonist; I know for a fact that injection of the Suboxone formula is possible and has recreational value. I have been tempted to try it, but I have a brain and know how to use it.

I know I’m being ridiculous, but…

Author: Amy-Work In Progress

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:15 am

Suboxone has a long enough half-life that in a few days it shouldn’t matter whether you dose once or twice a day. My doctor suggested taking the medication once a day. In fact, he said that if he could make it so that his sub patients take their dose at 3 am without them even knowing it, he would. His explanation is that part of our addiction is the obsessing over when take our next pill or hit (depending on your d.o.c.). He would rather his patients get to a point of not even thinking about the sub. I totally get his advice, because I used to spend all of my day waiting for the high, anticipating the next high, thinking about my pills, counting my pills. Now I only think of the sub as part of my evening routine.

I really don’t want to bring up any negative, because I’m super happy for you that your induction went well. Smile It scares me for you a little bit, though, that it’s been easy for you to somewhat disregard your doctor’s instructions. You seem to be second guessing your doctor. I know you are doing a good job asking for lots of information, but your doctor may have reasons for her advice that you don’t know. I have heard over and over again on this forum that we need to let go of running our own treatment.

I understand that you want to take the most minimal dose of sub that you can, but I don’t think it’s necessary or advisable to wait until you feel yucky to take more sub. Taking the sub at the same time(s) every day works well. I have felt the urge to leave off sub until I feel yucky, just to let myself feel that relief of symptoms. But then I recognized that the feeling that I wanted to wait for was too similar to waiting for that high feeling. It was the addict part of me that wanted to do that. This, of course, is only my own experience and advice. Feel free to take it or leave it! Smile

Amy

I owe HUGE BACK TAXES!! HEKP PLEASE!??

Author: amber4.14.11

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:28 am

Imnot sure about the walmart card, but I KNOW for a fact, if you look up your greendot card online, it gives you all the instruction necessary to do the direct deposit.
see, my grandpa died from asbestos, and I get $200 a month from a settlement, he was getting, he left it to me. its actually in my grandmas name now, for a bit, cuz it used to be 500 a month, and I did one of those "its your money and you need it now" bullshit………stupid , I know
so now, it gets DD to the greendot card. works great. cant have a bank act, anything thatd go in, would go right to the state of oregon…..o ya, I feel ya bro

anyways, GREAT JOB not getting sucked back down the rabbit hole thru all of this

start buying a lotto ticket for two bucks every paycheck like me k?
I have been, and Im still hopeing!!!!!

and finally taking care of this crap is a double edged sword. cuz I feel like you deserve a FRESH START when you clean up, but apparently the tax folks dont agree.

I dont know bout your boss, mine has been pretty cool. he says if he does get papers, he’ll only take ten percent. theyr allowed to take THIRTY of your gross here, if my husband was working too, they could take HALF!!!!!
could you freaking imagine?? and food stamps and stuff, they dont give two shits if HALF your check is garnished, they go off gross income. my friend is going thru that right now.
he owed 60k to the IRS ……..
the tax advocate helped TONS
and he makes his payments, so far, so good for him.

SO glad I could help, at least get you over the panic and disruption something like that causes. it really sux. when I was high, I never gave two shits. I was like ‘come get me’
then I cleaned up and was SO scared, freaked out, you name it…..

so good luck………
see if you can get that direct deposit straightened up in the next day or two, should be able to if your ‘on it’
agian,
buy the lotto ticket my good brother!!