Author: tearj3rker

Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:15 pm

Hey Cryon. You’re a battler. If you can stay off the gear for 2 years with no Sub using your will power, you can push through this challenge.

I know how it feels to get nasty blood test results. My HepC just relapsed after 6 months of tx. I know how hard it can be at first to accept how things have changed. Worries about stigma and people distancing themselves. Thankfully these days the HIV fear mongering has calmed somewhat, at least in my part of the world. It’s nothing like it was in the 80’s and 90’s when every 2nd news story was filled with disinformation about it.

And there are heaps more support groups and ways people can link up and speak out, even over the internet… so you have people if you ever feel isolated.

I’m sure you’ve been clued in about how HIV meds have improved. My ex-sponsor was 60+ years old and was HIV+ since the early 80’s, and he was a great sponsor who helped many people. Though we did have an argument about medications once, but that’s another story.

Anyway, stick around, and good luck. You’ll know when to open up and when to keep it dark. I think a lot will come down to hanging around supportive people.

Author: tearj3rker

Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:08 pm

Bill W’s had a really interesting life. He was charismatic, ego-centric at times, and prone to periods of depression. Apparently he was diagnosed with manic depression / bipolar disorder, which is linked a lot with addiction.

Yeah I got my open water license recently and spent a week diving the Barrier Reef. It’s def something you gotta experience, breathing under-water and swimming along with the fishes. I hope to dive & see more countries, but it’s difficult while on Suboxone.

Author: tearj3rker

Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:08 pm

Bill W’s had a really interesting life. He was charismatic, ego-centric at times, and prone to periods of depression. Apparently he was diagnosed with manic depression / bipolar disorder, which is linked a lot with addiction.

Yeah I got my open water license recently and spent a week diving the Barrier Reef. It’s def something you gotta experience, breathing under-water and swimming along with the fishes. I hope to dive & see more countries, but it’s difficult while on Suboxone.

Author: tearj3rker

Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:30 pm

All opioids are anti-depressants. Actually, they’re likely the best anti-depressants around. I just went to hospital and saw my mum (who’s usually a worrier) after hip-replacement surgery. She looked happy for the first time in years after the nurses came in and gave her a shot of morphine.

But they haven’t been prescribed for psychiatric illness since the early 1900’s for a couple of reasons, mainly tolerance and dependence. Moreso than other drugs, tolerance builds rapidly with opioids. It doesn’t take long for the anti-depressant effect to wear thin and a dose increase is required. But the big problem is addiction.

I’m sceptical of this prevailing idea that Suboxone is not addictive, that it’s only dependence forming when taken properly. RB have perpetuated this idea that Suboxone is as benign as anti-depressants. With both you may get withdrawal on discontinuation, but you don’t chase or crave either drugs addictively like you would cigarettes or crack or heroin. The problem is, every time I’ve gone off buprenorphine, I’ve craved it… for months after. I would actually want it over heroin. But heroin would always be more available. I’ve never gone "geee… some Effexor would be so nice right now…"

Author: tearj3rker

Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:30 pm

All opioids are anti-depressants. Actually, they’re likely the best anti-depressants around. I just went to hospital and saw my mum (who’s usually a worrier) after hip-replacement surgery. She looked happy for the first time in years after the nurses came in and gave her a shot of morphine.

But they haven’t been prescribed for psychiatric illness since the early 1900’s for a couple of reasons, mainly tolerance and dependence. Moreso than other drugs, tolerance builds rapidly with opioids. It doesn’t take long for the anti-depressant effect to wear thin and a dose increase is required. But the big problem is addiction.

I’m sceptical of this prevailing idea that Suboxone is not addictive, that it’s only dependence forming when taken properly. RB have perpetuated this idea that Suboxone is as benign as anti-depressants. With both you may get withdrawal on discontinuation, but you don’t chase or crave either drugs addictively like you would cigarettes or crack or heroin. The problem is, every time I’ve gone off buprenorphine, I’ve craved it… for months after. I would actually want it over heroin. But heroin would always be more available. I’ve never gone "geee… some Effexor would be so nice right now…"

Author: runningontime

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:14 am

In Kentucky, the doctors office (that is approved doctors who can prescribe Suboxone {at least that is how I understand it}) has forms to fill out saying that Suboxone is Medically Necessary, although it could take a few days to perhaps a couple of weeks, you should ultimately be approved to get your Suboxone
for a few weeks to months. Be sure once this goes through that you know exactly when your Pre-Auth is up and ask
your doctors office to start the paper work started again so that you never have to be without your Suboxone.
I have been gainfully legally employed since I was started on Suboxone in 2008.
I too have been around
different bottles of pain meds and it makes me sick to even look at them.
I Thank God Everyday that I found
Suboxone.
I wish you all the best.[b]

Author: 2yrsnparis

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:29 am

First of all, I want to say thank you for this site. This is the first time I have posted regarding this issue.

I will start by saying that I am an addict, for many years. Opiates being the least of my problems…cocaine being the worst. I have pretty much tried every drug out there. In the past 2 years I have done limited my use to weed, Xanax (when I could get my hands on it), and the occasional vicodin or percocet. Approximately 10 months ago someone sold me soboxone (which I had experience with from an ex bf (very small doses taken sublingual) for only a day or so to get overnthe downer from an all night coke binge.

Anyway, 10 months ago I obtained subs illegally just for something to maybe give me some energy. I got 8mg pills that I chopped a small piece off and sniffed. So, I’m not really sure how much I was taking really. An 8mg pill would last a week (or sometimes less)

I am 36 and very happily married for 1yr 6 months, HOWEVER, he has no clue that I have been using the subs. He does know about my past drug use and current and occasional weed use. He is ok with this and has accepted my past. He is an occasional drinker and that’s it.

Ok, so here goes…the withdrawal. I knew I wanted to stop using the subs. The lies, the aggrevation of obtaining them, and being a slave to the drug were just making me feel so bad. I ran out 10 days ago. I had depression first day, just knowing it was gone. 2nd day diarrhea, very low energy, NO Sleep! That to me was the worst. Every symptom got worse each day after!

This is getting long, so I will tell you that I am day 10and feeling pretty good. I think the worst part for me was the mental. I had no one to talk to about this because nobody knew. My husband was just thinking I was going crazy. I felt so so alone, but hearing others stories really helped me. Thank you!

Author: lilbda1

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:14 am

DAY3!!! I still feel great however i am still struggling bad w rhe nodding off and being so tired. Anyone have any advixe on what i can do or take to help w this? i. Have lowered my dose and my dr has no answers. I dont want to take anything that would get me in trouble w my dr but u need help? Al advise welcime. Thanks so much!!

Author: 604

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:16 pm

Almost half way 16 hrs away from day 7

Starting to go through emotional withdrawal phase, knees are a little sore other then a little stomach issues nothing a lil immodium can’t fix

This has been super easy compared to the withdrawals I have had getting off down in 2010/2011

I have been getting cravings for opiates but no urge to use
I guess giving my mom my entsummers savings(over 5k) was real good idea luckily I haven’t had to dip into that fund yet but I did just buy couple car parts

Going to start driving to school in April and I have some mods to finish up

Can’t wait to get my parts and keep busy

Author: u2star

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:53 pm

Also wondered if I should start on some vicodin (to prevent the nasty withdrawal of stopping sub) and to help with pain before surgery??